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I talked with one of the most recognizable ford aftermarket companies, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure my source would want to be quoted. Here is what the rep had to say about this unit:
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
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UPDATE:
NO TUNE NEEDED WITH RAM AIR AND QUICK ACCESS TO ENGINE BAY IF NEEDED
Shannon/WMS says no tune needed with the ram air box added. Of course it will run even better with a tune but this mod in itself does not require one. She also states minimal work needed to remove this if you need to do work in there:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [tune/engine accessibility]
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:22:16 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
No tune necessary will hold true for the ram air as well. It will make
more power with a tune for sure but its not needed to get the car to
run correctly. Don' t think there is any issue with accessibility, if
you were tearing down the front end of the engine you would need to
remove the ram air box but it comes out easy by removing the stock
fasteners. It takes about 2 minutes to remove the mass air / filter
assembly and the ram air box.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
NO TUNE NEEDED WITH RAM AIR AND QUICK ACCESS TO ENGINE BAY IF NEEDED
Shannon/WMS says no tune needed with the ram air box added. Of course it will run even better with a tune but this mod in itself does not require one. She also states minimal work needed to remove this if you need to do work in there:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [tune/engine accessibility]
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:22:16 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
No tune necessary will hold true for the ram air as well. It will make
more power with a tune for sure but its not needed to get the car to
run correctly. Don' t think there is any issue with accessibility, if
you were tearing down the front end of the engine you would need to
remove the ram air box but it comes out easy by removing the stock
fasteners. It takes about 2 minutes to remove the mass air / filter
assembly and the ram air box.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
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Originally posted by Hal900x@August 4, 2005, 3:52 PM
I talked with one of the most recognizable ford aftermarket companies, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure my source would want to be quoted. Here is what the rep had to say about this unit:
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
I talked with one of the most recognizable ford aftermarket companies, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure my source would want to be quoted. Here is what the rep had to say about this unit:
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
Agreed, this is common sense. This is right above the radiator. That is a stupid design unless you had a cowl and hood feeding it cold air.
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Originally posted by Hal900x@August 4, 2005, 3:52 PM
I talked with one of the most recognizable ford aftermarket companies, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure my source would want to be quoted. Here is what the rep had to say about this unit:
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
I talked with one of the most recognizable ford aftermarket companies, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure my source would want to be quoted. Here is what the rep had to say about this unit:
"that intake kit you showed me is terrible to draw cold air. That
area gets so hot that there have been reports of the factory inlet tube becoming discolored from the heat."
Always interested in hearing all sides of the discussion. Comments on this?
Hal. it's ALWAYS good to look at something from every angle.
Gotta keep an open mind to make an educated decision. Perhaps the radiator cover/ram air is a well designed heat shield?
Also, your source is another Ford aftermarket company.. a competitor? 
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Originally posted by blackhat97@August 4, 2005, 12:02 PM
Hal. it's ALWAYS good to look at something from every angle. Gotta keep an open mind to make an educated decision.
Perhaps the radiator cover/ram air is a well designed heat shield? Also, your source is another Ford aftermarket company.. a competitor?
Hal. it's ALWAYS good to look at something from every angle.
Gotta keep an open mind to make an educated decision. Perhaps the radiator cover/ram air is a well designed heat shield?
Also, your source is another Ford aftermarket company.. a competitor? I guess it would have to be a very effective shield indeed. Looking at it, it doesn't really seem to have a straight shot to fresh air from the grill. It's angled up and over the radiator, so the air would have to get up through those slots in the "shield" first. I think I will start a fresh thread on induction, because I have yet to see even one really decent solution as far as any kind of external intake, ie "cowl induction", the shaker unit or other pseudo-"ram air" intakes and so forth. What I would really like to see is an intake in an air dam, since that's where the highest static pressure (and the coldest air? It falls, right?) would be.
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Hal,
Nothing squid-ish about it. We just want the best for our cars and look out for each other in keeping the companies honest. Steeda is a reputable company and although they are a competitor (which is why I originally took it with a grain of salt but now know who that competitor is) I'd like to think they are professional enough to objectively discuss other methods of induction in a constructive manner rather than just put another's idea down simply out of competition. Yes, that is a valid point, the air must come up and over and is not a straight shot in and the heat shield would need to be very effective.
I like the idea of an induction thread as even though I've read up on this I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.
Nothing squid-ish about it. We just want the best for our cars and look out for each other in keeping the companies honest.
Steeda is a reputable company and although they are a competitor (which is why I originally took it with a grain of salt but now know who that competitor is) I'd like to think they are professional enough to objectively discuss other methods of induction in a constructive manner rather than just put another's idea down simply out of competition. Yes, that is a valid point, the air must come up and over and is not a straight shot in and the heat shield would need to be very effective.I like the idea of an induction thread as even though I've read up on this I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.
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Guys, Count me in on the buy for the complete Ram Air if the prices are reasonable and the product will provide the Horsepower they claim with out a tune.Does anyone know if there are anymore dyno test results availible other than one originaly posted on their website?By the way the RedLine Gas Springs are the only way to go, ditch the prop rod. Looks much cleaner and nothing in your way.
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Tom,
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
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Originally posted by blackhat97@August 5, 2005, 7:32 AM
Tom,
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
Tom,
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
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Originally posted by blackhat97@August 5, 2005, 6:32 AM
Tom,
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
Tom,
We have 3 positives for this system and we're all waiting for the ram air. We need 2 more to reach buy price minimum. There are a number of others that are "in" subject to seeing the final design release of ram air and it's pricing. Once we have that we should have a better lock on who's a go.
Bob, I haven't seen any other dyno sheets to support WMS' power claims. Anyone on here installed this without ram and has dyno #s or has anyone on here installed other WMS products in the past and can speak to their credibility of power gains?
I think most are waiting for the ram air thus we'd be the first on the block with it installed.
Oh and yeah, I'm seriously considering installing Red Line shocks. You guys that have them have nothing but positive things to say.
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UPDATE: NITROUS, HEAT:
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
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Originally posted by blackhat97@August 5, 2005, 10:19 AM
UPDATE: NITROUS, HEAT:
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
UPDATE: NITROUS, HEAT:
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
! Like I said earlier in this discussion . . ."No doubts about the temperature of the air entering this system!!"
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Originally posted by blackhat97@August 5, 2005, 11:19 AM
UPDATE: NITROUS, HEAT:
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
UPDATE: NITROUS, HEAT:
Needless to say, Shannon ROCKS! I asked about working nirtous with this set up for those thinking about taking that route and about how effective the heat shield is pertaining to air temp. Her reply:
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [nitrous and heat]
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:42:26 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
We have looked at nitrous install for these, it would be possible to
drill and tap the billet mass air meter near the forward edge and
install a 90 degree nozzle here. This would put it about 6" in front
of the throttle blades. Now we have not done any testing on this but I
think it is far enough forward for proper atomization.
The ram air box does isolate the filter from any hot engine air so
there is no 'fan wash' or hot air coming from engine compartment.
Basically the filter is sealed between the ram air box and the hood
with all the air coming in from the front of the car. In driving tests
at any speed above 45mph the air temp sensor (can be easily logged with
a Predator or SCT) will read same as the outside air temperature, this
is far better than any of the side mount intakes as they don't have a
direct feed of outside air.
For those who wonder where the air comes from the main area is between
the hood and grill - there is about a 1/2" gap under there and it is
38" long. The ram air box has 3 holes in the front of it as well, one
in the center and one on each side, air comes up through these holes
from the grill. In total there is 82 square inches of area for air to
enter the box. In contrast, the stock air box has less than 15 square
inches of area for air to enter it.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
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WMS site UPDATED: 95mm MAF opt
No prob Bob! Cool Bill, should the final ram air check out I'd say it looks real strong having enough for a group buy.
Just noticed on their site they added an option for a 95mm MAF:
"We do offer an option for a larger 95mm mass air meter but this should only we used with radically modified engines and will require custom programming."
$22 US / $29 CDN
No prob Bob!
Cool Bill, should the final ram air check out I'd say it looks real strong having enough for a group buy.Just noticed on their site they added an option for a 95mm MAF:
"We do offer an option for a larger 95mm mass air meter but this should only we used with radically modified engines and will require custom programming."
$22 US / $29 CDN
