So do you know for sure when the h-pipe will start selling or do you still just have estimates? Sorry if I am asking too frequently about when the h-pipe will come out.

 

You're fine, you can ask away! I'm excited, too. Nick @ ARH is trying to work it out right now. He will hopefully have an answer for us by the end of the week!

CR
Tillman Speed

 

I am looking forward to these too. So...What are these suckers going to sound like? Can we expect them to be deeper and more muscle car sounding than the ARH + X-Pipe?

 

TillmanSpeed... when you have news can you PLEASE PM ME! I sometimes forget about this thread or lose it in the posting madness on this site! (which is why I bumped it the other day) I am totally waiting for these and I don't wanna miss out !!!

 

Not a problem at all!

 

Me and you are both the excited frequently asking customers LOL.

 

CR what is the price on the ARH and X right now? I can't seem to find them on your site

 

Just wanted to bump this up, any new news CR & what about a new group buy for this combo with the "H" when it's released??

 

WUTimeUT give me a shout via PM for pricing, as I don't know whether you're looking for 1 5/8" or 1 3/4" catted or uncatted? I'd be glad to help you out!

As for the H pipe option, we're going to give Nick over at ARH a call Monday, after he has the weekend to work on it. We want to see how it goes.

 

I would be interested in the sound and power differences that they would make with the same headers

 

Will it the converters hang down below the frame rails like the KOOKS do?

 

with a 1.75" ARH catted X pipe system, I'd love to see the difference in performance but any comparison would have to be done by only swapping out one mid pipe for the other with all else being equal. It will be very interesting to see how the powerband is affected. I have absolutely no objection to the sound with the existing catted X pipe so for those of you that can't make a choice, you can't go wrong with either one!

 

I agree... you can't go wrong with either. The X Pipe gains are going to be alot more. This is just for those who are set on an H pipe sound, and don't mind the few ponies lost.

As for the cats, they have great clearance, as the case diameter on them is not bad at all, I believe it's around 4" round. They aren't big and bulky and hanging low like the competitors.

As cool as this option will be for the sound, I think when we post dyno comparisons people may steer back towards the X pipe. I may be wrong, but we'll see...

 

an x is only gonig to net you 2-5hp over an h. you will never feel 2-5hp and unless your a dyno queen looking to get every last hp, the h is the way to go. you might as well have the sound to back up the power.

 

I hope it's only 2-5hp! That would be beautiful. Then there would be no question! H pipe!

CR

 

im pretty confident itll be that low. Definately no more than 10hp but more liek 2-5

 

Tillmanspeed - how much of a difference do YOU think it would be...seems like you are thinking ALOT more (10-15+???!)

 

I don't expect there to be a huge difference between the two, maybe 3-5 RWHP tops but I don't have any issue with the sound my X pipe makes now with Zoomers on. Given the choice, why would anyone want to throw HP away? Strictly over sound??? If you say, "it's only 2-3 HP here, or 2-3 HP there," when you add them all up it can make quite a difference in the end result. With a power adder, I expect the difference in efficiency between an X and H pipe would be even more pronounced than in a N/A system.

 

are you really worried even if it was say 10hp? i guess if your N/A 10hp would be huge. youll prolly see close to 10 on a S/C car but N/A will be 2-5hp tops. and even if it was 10hp, unless your a dyno queen you will never notice a difference between 300hp and 310hp realistically.

many will throw away a few ponies here and there for sound. if it were 10hp lets say and i do have a power adder, which i do. ill gladly throw away 10hp to have a deeper more muscle car sound. i can make 10hp backin hundreds of different ways like with the flash of a tune and turn my timing up 1 degree, get an electric water pump, change my flywheel to an aluminum one, go with a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft, shave off some front end weight, change my pulley from 10psi to 11psi. any of those or a combination of those will work to net 10hp or more. You will never really notice 10hp. like i said above unless your a dyno queen looknig to brag about how much HP the machine said you made, who cares. The real results are on the track, be it road coruse or Drag Strip.

besides the fact most exhausts have dynoed a loss of torque and HP to a gain of minimally 1hp. thsoe are real world tests, not controlled enviornment tests done by the manufactuer. rememebr the exhaust shootout article in i beleive was MMFF? Yet many people changed the sond anyway.

 

I personally think it's going to be approximately 8 RWHP. They dyno comparison will be fun. I would love it if it was only 2-3. That would make the H pipe a popular option.

CR