Plus, the GTO is fat looking, and it looks like a normal car, i saw a 04 gto today, a black one and i didnt realize what it was till i heard the exhaust.

 

Seems this is a very emotional topic for some people. I am, or should I say WAS a die hard GM fan. Drove nothing but Chevy's for more years than some of you have been alive. (yes I know, I'm an old fart) At any rate, when GM dropped the Camaro and Firebird in favor of stamping out even more stupid SUV's I just gave up on them. They currently make some of the most boring cars in the world with the exception of the GTO and the Corvette. Both of which are exceptional cars, HOWEVER...
The GTO while it is an excelent performer is FUGLY and expensive. The Corvette is nice looking and an excelent performer but so far out of my price range that it was irrelevent.
When I waw the 05 Mustang was was really sold on the styling but still skeptical. I research it for two months and when I was done I decided that no other car manufacturer provided more car for the money that Ford did with the 05 Mustang GT. Yes there are better cars out there but NOT for the same money. I've had my Mustang for just over a month now and I couldn't be happier with this car! Since I have taken an interest in all Mustangs and one thing I have discovered is that the Ford community seems to be a lot less arrogant and more mature than the GM crowd. I admist that I hadn't been paying attention to Ford in the past and I was impressed with cars like the Mach 1, the 32 valve Cobra, ect. I'm sold on Ford and happy to have switched from the "dark side".

 

I walk by a balck w/red interior GTO every day on my way to work. I always add an extra hour for travel time because every time I pass it I fall asleep.

 

You wanna bet? Now lets not magazine race here, lets talk real times in the real world. I personally have witnessed a 13.1 second pass from a BONE stock 2004 GTO and 12.9 sec pass from a BONE stock 2005 GTO. What is the best a stock 05 GT Stang has gone? Maybe 13.3-13.4 at best?

 

Yeah, well I have to add an extra hour for travel time simply because there are so darn many Stangs (mostly V6) on the road clogging up traffic.

Better looking or not (opinion), the looks of the Mustang loses its effect after you have seen 35 of them just driving to the grocery store (fact).

 

Fact: the Goat is borning to most people and does have and positive "effect" in the first place... and the fact that you see mustangs everywhere just means more people like them... and you want a car that people like...
opinion: I like the Goat's performance even though it is over priced... but the design seems rushed and boring... why not get a car that is cheaper in price just as good in performance and better styled. I am not trying to hack on ur car, but i have heard many many GM fans talk poorly about the GTOs looks...
but when it comes down to it if there wasn't a MUSTANG I GUESS I'D DRIVE A GOAT...

 

stock mach 1s have gone 12.9. and they were all stock on stock tires. they cost less and have less power than your so called gto, now who has the better car?

would kill myself

 

My "so called gto"? What is "so called" about it? Don't make me school you again. Next thing we know you are going to be claiming single exhaust again. Do you really want to start with me again? First of all, we were not talking about Machs (check the thread title if you get confused again) and second of all, I paid $26,500 for my GTO (some people paid less, some paid more, but that is about average)...how much did most of the Machs go for? I could be misinformed but $26k-$28k is what I heard. A car can sticker for 10 billion dollars but if they sell for $27k, does that make it a 10 billion dollar car? I think not. So your point is once again...pointless and completely irrelevant in this thread.

BTW - I have never even heard of a bone stock Mach running sub 13. You forgot to mention that Machs also have significantly less weight, which makes up for the performance difference (not sure why you pointed that out exactly). And since you asked...I have the better car.

 

For sticker price, I'd go with the Stang, no question. With all the discounts and rebates, though, I'm guessing that a GTO is actually the same price or cheaper, which makes it a much tougher choice. I love the styling of the new Stang, but am definitely not opposed to a 400hp, 6 speed, IRS-equipped Holden Monaro, even if it does look like a Grand Prix. As much as it pains me to say it, I'd have to go with function over form and get the Goat. Will the Holden grill bolt right back on?

 

The entire front fascia (it is all one piece, bumper cover and grille area) has to be replaced to get the Holden grille on, but it can be done and many have done it.

 

Well I'm going to throw in my .02 cents worth. I have driven both, currently own a 05 Stang GT. I like the power the GTO has, plus the seats make you feel more in position than in the stang, but as far as style that goes to the Mustang. The GTO styling does nothing for me, just does not cause any Pontiac excitement in me I will give both cars for there performance, as far as which car is better and not quoting drag times from mags and such but give it to the drivers and the vehicles themselves, we all know both are quick. As a child from the 60's all old musclecars or pony cars have always been my favorites no matter who made them. I'm just glad to see that we now have some of those old days back again with the horsepower numbers coming back out. Yes I know some of the vehicles look lame and we wonder just what the heck they were thinking when they designed them. :bang: But we have a good chance to hopefully see these horsepower numbers grow and stay around as long as they don't screw things up again. As far which one is better, Sorry going biased here with the stang, because I feel it was a better package all around. I should know worked as a tech so I was able to touch many cars in my time and really know what crap was put out on the roads.

My list of Current and Past vehicles:

05 Mustang GT
04 Explorer

Past
2001 Taurus
2002 Mitsu Galant :bang: what were we thinking
97 Explorer
87 Monte Carlo SS
86 Mustang GT Miss it
94 Taurus
86 Cougar
72 Camaro
70 Camaro

 

search the 94-04 V8 section and u will see a thread. also, the 02 concept mach supposedly went 12.9 with a different driver behind the wheel, and people have posted about 12.90s in stock mach1s in the right temperature, are u confused again You saying that u have the better car proves that yet again YOU are confused.

 

No, me saying that I have the better car is me sharing my opinion since you asked me "now who has the better car?". You can quote times all day long, but at the end of the day I will still be confident that I have the better car. I don't get confused, nice try though. I like how you choose not to respond to most of what I said and just start whining about 12.90s. If you want to talk Mach vs GTO, why don't you start a new thread and stop exquisite feeling release of liquid waste product on this one. I tell you what, why don't you go grab your Mach, or any Mustang that you own for that matter, and lets meet up for a race and see who has the "better car".

Keep it coming...you are too easy.

EDIT: I did the search you suggested, and I found only 2 threads, one 12.95 and one 12.94 (a link to another forum anyways). So, both were "he said, she said, I saw this" threads, no timeslips, no videos and no gaurantee that the cars were even stock. Most of your own board members were hesitant to believe it, and claimed that there were probably hidden mods and etc. I also found where you were talking about the 02 concept mach and you yourself said it was on slicks. You really should not contradict yourself on the same forum.

 

I find this discussion to have turned in a flame war. I am sure this is not what this thread was created for. Otherwise, it would have been named "Flame to your hearts content". I would advise both parties stop being childish before the staff gives out an Oh-So-Rare punishment.

 

You're kiddin right? Mustang, looks and price

 

Once again, GM has to resort to Corvette level engines to compete. This latest chapter entitled GTO has some appeal because of the 400HP 70 Cubic inch larger engine. Ford soldiers on with a 281 cubic inch engine making a conservative 300hp and GM of course relies on fighting the war with pure HP. If you like old tech GM pushrod engines that are large and qualify for gas guzzler status, buy the GTO. Don't look for much reaction from people though. As the lots overflow with unsold GTOs, people have to RUSH to Ford dealers to catch a quick glimpse of a Mustang GT before it's owner takes possession of it.

BTW, the only reason you got your GTO for $28,600 is because no one else wanted it.

Ford sells more Mustangs in a single month than GM sells GTOs in an entire model year.

Have fun with it.

 

get outta here, no1 cares about your opinon, you are ignorant, and have no idea what you are talking about, time and time again i try to be reasonable, your impossible. you always have to change the subject when u r losing an argument, always trying some out of whack impossible angle. time for the "ignore" button

 

What are you even talking about? You being reasonable? Yeah right. Please use the ignore button and I will do the same. I called you out on inconsistancies in your own posts and you come back crying, figures. Show me where I was losing the arguement, cause that just ain't the case. You should really take some time to read through your own posts before you open your mouth, cause all you are doing is making fun of yourself. It is rather amusing though.

 

So let me get this straight...there is something wrong with using higher displacement engines to increase hp? Are you nuts? You sound like a ricer. If that is your stand point then you have no business in a 4.6 liter, go grab a civic, they use more technology to get more power per cubic inch than either one of the engines you are talking about. Give me a break, you can use your own logic against yourself.

BTW - I did not pay a gas guzzler tax, it only applies to the auto, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

Why do you have to rush to a Ford dealership to catch a glimpse of a 05 GT Stang? I see 15 a day out on the roads, and the Ford dealership right down hwy 290 from where I live has about 10 of them parked on their lot.

Everyone that knows anything, knows that the only reason GTO's did not move well was because of the lack of advestising. And just for the record, Pontiac is having no trouble selling the 05's. Say whatever you want about the price arguement to make yourself feel better by insulting other's cars, but in the end the GTO is, stock for stock, more comfortable, nicer, has more features and is faster in both a straight line and in the twisties...and that is fact (arguing about appearance is futile, because it is opinion based). And at meets, me and my GTO buddies get much more attention than the Mustang crowd, probably simply because seeing another Mustang just isn't that big of a deal.

Thanks for the kind words, I do have fun with my GTO, it puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it.

 

GTOs are selling 87 percent more than last year