You assume a lot... good luck getting 0% interest on this car..

and

Some people like to pay cash for their car... and not have monthly payments... and not get into a financial crissis.... whoopsssssss

 

How is that 300 hp V6 going to stack up to the 300 hp V8? Better, worse, or about the same? What does the torque look like on that V6? Will it keep up with a GT?

 

I don't know, we'll have to wait for the test.

But 300 hp for $22,000 is hell of a deal.

 

Well the Camaro V6 is heavy by comparison to the GT, and doesn't have as much torque...
The GT will still edge it out, driver and conditions being equal.

 

I'll have to agree with Zoran. 300 hp for $22k is a heck of a deal. Though it would be stripped down bare and likely not obtainable for a year or so at sticker price.

 

So far the prediction is the V6 F5 will be about a second slower comapred to the GT. The V6 F5 has around 273 ft/lbs at peak torque.

Anyways here ya go if your looking for a peak torque comparison

Mustang GT M5 18" wheels (final number is HP/WGT ratio)
2.97 x 3.55 x 320 = 3373.92/1.1358 = 2970.44 ft/lbs. - 241.39 hp/3540 = 14.66 p/w
1.78 x 3.55 x 320 = 2022.08/1.1358 = 1780.31 ft/lbs. - 241.40 hp/3540 = 14.66 p/w
1.30 x 3.55 x 320 = 1476.80/1.1358 = 1300.22 ft/lbs. - 241.40 hp/3540 = 14.66 p/w
1.00 x 3.55 x 320 = 1136.00/1.1358 = 1000.18 ft/lbs. - 241.40 hp/3540 = 14.66 p/w
0.80 x 3.55 x 320 = 908.80/1.1358 = 800.14 ft/lbs. - 241.39 hp/3540 = 14.66 p/w


Camaro V6 A6 20" wheels (gears I-V)
.07 x 3.27 x 273 = 3633.33/1.1950 = 3040.44 ft/lbs. - 226.19 hp/3741 = 16.54 p/w
2.37 x 3.27 x 273 = 2115.72/1.1950 = 1770.48 ft/lbs. - 226.19 hp/3741 = 16.54 p/w
1.55 x 3.27 x 273 = 1383.70/1.1950 = 1157.91 ft/lbs. - 226.19 hp/3741 = 16.54 p/w
1.16 x 3.27 x 273 = 1035.54/1.1950 = 866.56 ft/lbs. - 226.19 hp/3741 = 16.54 p/w
0.85 x 3.27 x 273 = 758.80/1.1950 = 634.98 ft/lbs. - 226.19 hp/3741 = 16.54 p/w

 

Oh i hear you, i was not assumeing 0% I'm just saying best case senerio you are looking at that much more, with interest as there will be it will be even higher.

 

yeah, there are going to be hellatious markups for years, hell, it took them like 4 years to get it out to begin with

I think the Mustang is better all around, so that's what I'd want. But yeah, Ford definately needs to step it up

 

Those are probably their teaser prices to get all the magazines to publish newstand attention grabbing headlines like "Pony and Goat killer" leading up to the launch and generate buzz. When the S197 came out the buzz by Ford was "300HP V8 for under $25K MSRP". That lasted for a couple of months after the launch and then they pushed the MSRP up, twice the first year, IIRC. I bet GM will do the same thing to where the 300HP V6 MSRP is "just below" the GT to thumb their nose at Ford, but then when you option it out it comes out a wash.

 

Don't expect ADMs to last nearly as long as they did on the Mustang...not in this economy.

 

Nope, not a chance in hell. Especially not if your GT has a good tune in it. I wouldn't worry about the V6 Camaro one iota.

SS, different story altogether - stock vs. stock we're gonna get spanked silly.

 

Camaro 1SS MSRP is $30,922. 09 Mustang GT MSRP is $28,005, but there is currently a $1,500 rebate making the Mustang GT $26,505. So, sticker is $4,417 more for the base SS than the base GT after rebate.

Factor in that there will likely be ADM's on Camaros for awhile, but you can get Mustangs for way below MSRP (closer to invoice) and that gap widens by several thousand more $'s. So, real world transaction prices will show the Camaro SS $6K to $10K higher than a Mustang GT for quite some time. You can buy a lot of mods for the Mustang for that kind of money (i.e. supercharger!).

Mustang GT is still the much better bang-for-the-buck, IMO.

 

Quoted for truth

 

you do figure that the 2010 v6 mustang will be $19,999 right?

 

If you pay an ADM on this car you have sucker on your forehead. I priced it at several dealers and two were within 1000 of MSRP for a base model 1SS. 31,9 and 31,6. Could have placed 1000 down to preorder but waiting on the vert. Just tested the waters. Of course 3 tried to tell me 5K-8K markups, one said he didn't know how much he could get his hands on one for, told them I won't be back to them. I know one I can get at exactly MSRP as well. ADM's won't last as long as many of you hope they will. Several on one of my sites have already placed orders many at MSRP. depends on allocation really.

Quotes from several on my other site.

A Dealer (also a sponsor) garuntees MSRP or less as well. And another site posted a list so far of dealers not charging over MSRP.

 

Perhaps Chevy dealers are seeing the writing on the wall. Large ADMs will screw the pooch with the economy the way it is. Sales is sales, and if your not making 3 grand at least your making 3 hundred.

 

Exactly. This tanking economy will work to the benefit of those who can actually afford a Camaro right now.

And it's not just the economy - GM itself may be finished shortly (at least as we all know it). This could mean plenty of dealers closing their doors or downsizing commensurately. F***ing over customers right now is probably suicide in the long run for a lot of dealerships.

 

Yeah, Chevy's timing for the long awaited release of these "beasts" could not be worse. I was originally contemplating the wait until the Camaro came out when I bought my GT last year, but with all the unknowns right now on top of the fact I have a car that I truly enjoy, am very glad I decided to NOT wait.

 

Nice MSRP's, but not gonna happen till the hype's gone in one or two years.