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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 01:12 AM
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Looks great, but the interior looks like they took alot of cues from the mustang.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 01:41 AM
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looks pretty good....i would race one.........
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 02:11 AM
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Someone has to throw a hat in the ring. But can Dodge make it for the same sticker price? I doubt it.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 02:12 AM
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hmm i dont like the interior at all, i knew chrysler would screw it up somehow
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 02:13 AM
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Looks like a AMC Javelin...if it had Quad headlights.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 02:55 AM
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We all know these things will never measure up to a Mustang

But man it sure is nice to see the old muscle cars, in general, trying to make a comeback

I'm all for some more competition
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 03:39 AM
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i wish ford would have done the mirror`s the same way..retro style.......
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 05:05 AM
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There's been at least two threads about it already, one closed. How'd ya miss it?

Challenger Thread
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by GtStallion51@December 22, 2005, 3:02 AM
It says here you get 425 hemi hp for $28,000, going to have to start saving....
Doesn't quite says that. It says "yours for $28K" and also mentions the Hemi, but doesn't say the Hemi version is $28K.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by MustangFanatic@December 21, 2005, 9:21 PM
Yeah, me too. I sure hope DC decides to build it...or course then it makes my next purchase decision a little tougher...unless Ford CAN build a Boss!!
Of course they CAN build a Boss, but I hope they don't. I would like the looks of my car to remain rare. If you want a Boss, build it yourself.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by rhumb@December 21, 2005, 4:43 PM
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That thing is HOT!!!!

Sooooooooo, IRS or live axle???
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Shea@December 22, 2005, 8:06 AM
Of course they CAN build a Boss, but I hope they don't. I would like the looks of my car to remain rare. If you want a Boss, build it yourself.
Your car looks great, I wouldn't worry about a new Boss impacting your car's appeal!!
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by mr-mstng@December 22, 2005, 9:50 AM
Sooooooooo, IRS or live axle???
IRS for sure.

Dodge doesn't even have a solid rear in their parts bin...
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Knight@December 22, 2005, 10:42 AM
IRS for sure.

Dodge doesn't even have a solid rear in their parts bin...
Except for their trucks and SUVs.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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It would be quite interesting to hear about all the specs as that'll make or break any car.

I would highly suspect and IRS as they already have fully engineered heavy-duty IRS systems on their parts shelves but no such lively axles.

If not true, having the "$28K" and "425 Hemi" statements on the same page, even if not explicitly linked, is very misleading if not an outright deception (what, are they trying to justify a war or something?). However, if it is actually true, a $28K 425 Hemi Challenger with modern IRS, then the Mustang is in for some VERY serious problems. But, obviously, this is all very loose speculation at this point and nothing more.

And we still have yet to hear what the GM camp is brewing up for the budding pony-car wars. The NAIAS should be quite interesting for us pony car enthusiasts.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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I love it can't wait for auto shows see it in person
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@December 22, 2005, 11:52 AM
Except for their trucks and SUVs.
But no automotive platform/chassis.

Presumably, the Challenger would be built off a shortened Magnum chassis, which is and presumably will be IRS across the board (why mess with success). Possibly DC would further engineer this existing platform for a live axle, but I find that far less likely both in terms of added engineering and development costs to give up a significant competitive advantage over the Stang.

The broad based nature of the DC platform, as compared to the Mustang's rather bespoke S-197 platform, significantly change the decision criteria regarding suspension (and other design aspects). Also, as the Stang was the only game in town, i.e., no real direct competition, Ford had much more leeway to foist what they wanted ("Give'em all live axles, where else are they going to go anyways, baw, haw, haw, haw....').

The newcomer Challenger (and Camaro), instead, will have to prove themselves as better alternatives to the Mustang and each other. To do so, they will have to have all the requisite goods (design, egineering, content, quality and price) to do so as they most certainly will not be the only game in town as was the Stang and thus, won't be able to get away with nearly as much in terms of design/content/engineering crimping.

A dollar says that, should DC and/or GM have an IRS in their offerings, Ford will suddenly trot out their heretofore "$5K+/250lb+" nacent IRS for about a <$1K/100lb premium, about what Coletti's SVT did with the SN95 Cobra.

Ah, vigorous manufacturer competition, Godsend to us enthusiasts!
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by rhumb@December 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
A dollar says that, should DC and/or GM have an IRS in their offerings, Ford will suddenly trot out their heretofore "$5K+/250lb+" nacent IRS for about a <$1K/100lb premium, about what Coletti's SVT did with the SN95 Cobra.

Ah, vigorous manufacturer competition, Godsend to us enthusiasts!
I'm sure that either one or both will come to market with an IRS and many of the other options considered mandatory by enthusiasts.

As I've said before, this seems to be a calculated move on Ford's part. With the Mustang's rampant sales success, it was only a matter of time before competitors joined the fray. By "delaying" some of the enhancements they will create the illusion that they are stepping up and creating new excitement for the car to compete with the new product introductions from the competition. Hopefully, Ford will spend the extra time developing and refining the IRS and other enhancements to the nth degree while the competition strives just to get their product to market. If Ford takes this approach, they will be in a much better position to maintain their dominance in the segment. IMHO.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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I like it. Would still buy a Mustang instead, but overall I like it.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by rhumb@December 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
But no automotive platform/chassis.
Uh yeah, that's why I said except for trucks and SUVs. I thought it was obvious that group didn't include cars.
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