NEW pics of the Challenger concept (Merged)
Originally posted by GtStallion51@December 22, 2005, 3:02 AM
It says here you get 425 hemi hp for $28,000, going to have to start saving....
It says here you get 425 hemi hp for $28,000, going to have to start saving....

Originally posted by MustangFanatic@December 21, 2005, 9:21 PM
Yeah, me too. I sure hope DC decides to build it...or course then it makes my next purchase decision a little tougher...unless Ford CAN build a Boss!!
Yeah, me too. I sure hope DC decides to build it...or course then it makes my next purchase decision a little tougher...unless Ford CAN build a Boss!!
Originally posted by rhumb@December 21, 2005, 4:43 PM
<...wanders back up hall, frying pan shaped bruise upside head...>
<...wanders back up hall, frying pan shaped bruise upside head...>

That thing is HOT!!!!
Sooooooooo, IRS or live axle???
Originally posted by Shea@December 22, 2005, 8:06 AM
Of course they CAN build a Boss, but I hope they don't. I would like the looks of my car to remain rare. If you want a Boss, build it yourself.
Of course they CAN build a Boss, but I hope they don't. I would like the looks of my car to remain rare. If you want a Boss, build it yourself.
Originally posted by mr-mstng@December 22, 2005, 9:50 AM
Sooooooooo, IRS or live axle???
Sooooooooo, IRS or live axle???

Dodge doesn't even have a solid rear in their parts bin...
Originally posted by Knight@December 22, 2005, 10:42 AM
IRS for sure.
Dodge doesn't even have a solid rear in their parts bin...
IRS for sure.
Dodge doesn't even have a solid rear in their parts bin...
It would be quite interesting to hear about all the specs as that'll make or break any car.
I would highly suspect and IRS as they already have fully engineered heavy-duty IRS systems on their parts shelves but no such lively axles.
If not true, having the "$28K" and "425 Hemi" statements on the same page, even if not explicitly linked, is very misleading if not an outright deception (what, are they trying to justify a war or something?). However, if it is actually true, a $28K 425 Hemi Challenger with modern IRS, then the Mustang is in for some VERY serious problems. But, obviously, this is all very loose speculation at this point and nothing more.
And we still have yet to hear what the GM camp is brewing up for the budding pony-car wars. The NAIAS should be quite interesting for us pony car enthusiasts.
I would highly suspect and IRS as they already have fully engineered heavy-duty IRS systems on their parts shelves but no such lively axles.
If not true, having the "$28K" and "425 Hemi" statements on the same page, even if not explicitly linked, is very misleading if not an outright deception (what, are they trying to justify a war or something?). However, if it is actually true, a $28K 425 Hemi Challenger with modern IRS, then the Mustang is in for some VERY serious problems. But, obviously, this is all very loose speculation at this point and nothing more.
And we still have yet to hear what the GM camp is brewing up for the budding pony-car wars. The NAIAS should be quite interesting for us pony car enthusiasts.
Originally posted by TomServo92@December 22, 2005, 11:52 AM
Except for their trucks and SUVs.
Except for their trucks and SUVs.
Presumably, the Challenger would be built off a shortened Magnum chassis, which is and presumably will be IRS across the board (why mess with success). Possibly DC would further engineer this existing platform for a live axle, but I find that far less likely both in terms of added engineering and development costs to give up a significant competitive advantage over the Stang.
The broad based nature of the DC platform, as compared to the Mustang's rather bespoke S-197 platform, significantly change the decision criteria regarding suspension (and other design aspects). Also, as the Stang was the only game in town, i.e., no real direct competition, Ford had much more leeway to foist what they wanted ("Give'em all live axles, where else are they going to go anyways, baw, haw, haw, haw....').
The newcomer Challenger (and Camaro), instead, will have to prove themselves as better alternatives to the Mustang and each other. To do so, they will have to have all the requisite goods (design, egineering, content, quality and price) to do so as they most certainly will not be the only game in town as was the Stang and thus, won't be able to get away with nearly as much in terms of design/content/engineering crimping.
A dollar says that, should DC and/or GM have an IRS in their offerings, Ford will suddenly trot out their heretofore "$5K+/250lb+" nacent IRS for about a <$1K/100lb premium, about what Coletti's SVT did with the SN95 Cobra.
Ah, vigorous manufacturer competition, Godsend to us enthusiasts!
Originally posted by rhumb@December 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
A dollar says that, should DC and/or GM have an IRS in their offerings, Ford will suddenly trot out their heretofore "$5K+/250lb+" nacent IRS for about a <$1K/100lb premium, about what Coletti's SVT did with the SN95 Cobra.
Ah, vigorous manufacturer competition, Godsend to us enthusiasts!
A dollar says that, should DC and/or GM have an IRS in their offerings, Ford will suddenly trot out their heretofore "$5K+/250lb+" nacent IRS for about a <$1K/100lb premium, about what Coletti's SVT did with the SN95 Cobra.
Ah, vigorous manufacturer competition, Godsend to us enthusiasts!
As I've said before, this seems to be a calculated move on Ford's part. With the Mustang's rampant sales success, it was only a matter of time before competitors joined the fray. By "delaying" some of the enhancements they will create the illusion that they are stepping up and creating new excitement for the car to compete with the new product introductions from the competition. Hopefully, Ford will spend the extra time developing and refining the IRS and other enhancements to the nth degree while the competition strives just to get their product to market. If Ford takes this approach, they will be in a much better position to maintain their dominance in the segment. IMHO.
Originally posted by rhumb@December 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
But no automotive platform/chassis.
But no automotive platform/chassis.



