Chrysler Development Chief Slags the Mustang
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Hmmmm.... hard to top that one... bah, Ford could always use the lame Toyota excuse when they decided to use drum brakes on the rear of their hybrid cars. "Its for efficiency".
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'Course he does. He's just talking sh*t to rile people up.
Looks like it's working.![Biggrinjester](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrinjester.gif)
Everybody knows it's about power-to-weight, and the Challenger goes "oink, oink."
Still, the Challenger has lots of curb appeal and presence rolling down the road, there's no denying it. Chrysler did a bang up job on the exterior body styling - better than I ever would have thought.
I'd love one of each.![Drool](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/drool.gif)
Looks like it's working.
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Everybody knows it's about power-to-weight, and the Challenger goes "oink, oink."
Still, the Challenger has lots of curb appeal and presence rolling down the road, there's no denying it. Chrysler did a bang up job on the exterior body styling - better than I ever would have thought.
I'd love one of each.
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To the point, of course this guy is going to talk is product up and play to it's strengths. There is no doubt the Chally will cut into some market share and fill a niche, particularly with the Mopar loyalists. If Ford is awake at the wheel they will pay close attention and make a great car even better by adding some displacement to stay competitive. No question the 425hp 6.1 Challenger will walk all over a stock 3V - especially with the optional 3.91 and a 6-speed. We need Ford to step up and give us a forged 5.0 and another 50-75hp.
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Hey Walt, if your looking to get rid of some axle hop, then you can go with a Watts Link rear suspension. Its on the PJ Saleen cars. One guy in our Bad Mustangs group has one and it rides NICE!!! The Saleen setup is a little pricey at $999, and it just had a recall
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Jeff -
Great info. You're on top of things as usual
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I don't understand your statement regarding power to weight. Sounds like you are implying that the GT has a better power to weight than the Challenger. Which isn't the case, as even the current and reportedly heavier Charger SRT8 has a better power to weight ratio than a GT, and also out handles and out brakes our GT's.
![](http://img701.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/02/20/table-49kxoloif.jpeg)
Looks pretty even to me
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To the point, of course this guy is going to talk is product up and play to it's strengths. There is no doubt the Chally will cut into some market share and fill a niche, particularly with the Mopar loyalists. If Ford is awake at the wheel they will pay close attention and make a great car even better by adding some displacement to stay competitive. No question the 425hp 6.1 Challenger will walk all over a stock 3V - especially with the optional 3.91 and a 6-speed. We need Ford to step up and give us a forged 5.0 and another 50-75hp.
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from Motor Trend's tests of the Mustang GT and the Charger SRT8
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Looks pretty even to me
The Charger doesn't beat the the Mustang GT in any handling category. But the SRT8 is .1 sec faster 0-60, has 1ft less stopping distance, all for only $16,410 more than a Mustang GT! Talk about a bargain! I think it all has to do with those three miraculous letters: I. R. S.!!! ![Biggrinjester](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrinjester.gif)
Yes that is questionable. The Charger SRT8 is pretty much even with a run of the mill, lowly GT. Challenger will probably be about the same. Ford is already giving us almost equal preformance for less money.![Dunno](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
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Looks pretty even to me
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Yes that is questionable. The Charger SRT8 is pretty much even with a run of the mill, lowly GT. Challenger will probably be about the same. Ford is already giving us almost equal preformance for less money.
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Interesting, thank you for posting that. However, I recall reading some other articles where there was a bigger disparity in how the two cars performed. I will tell you this though, the SRT8 is the faster car, no doubt about it. Although it's the exception not the rule there are stock SRT8's running high 12's with the average times in the very low 13's. It's actually right about on par with the LS2 GTO's. Bare in mind the Charger is a 5-speed auto with 3.08 gears also. The Challenger will be faster with it's available 3.91's lighter weight (reportedly). Moreover, the 6.4 500+hp engine looks to be the top plant for '09. Don't confuse my defense of the SRT8's with disloyalty to my GT either. As somebody that also owns an SRT8 I'm at liberty to share some of that experience first hand with you guys.
The Mustang will continue to be very successful. It is an amazing bargain, but in the face of faster competition I hope Ford keeps the performance gap to within a discretionary level. The Mustang niche is good performance at a bargain price. I don't see the Challenger being a huge threat to that unless the 380hp 5.7 R/T Challenger is priced at or below the GT. Even then the Mustang aftermarket is so much more appealing.
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Interesting, thank you for posting that. However, I recall reading some other articles where there was a bigger disparity in how the two cars performed. I will tell you this though, the SRT8 is the faster car, no doubt about it. Although it's the exception not the rule there are stock SRT8's running high 12's with the average times in the very low 13's. It's actually right about on par with the LS2 GTO's. Bare in mind the Charger is a 5-speed auto with 3.08 gears also. The Challenger will be faster with it's available 3.91's lighter weight (reportedly). Moreover, the 6.4 500+hp engine looks to be the top plant for '09. Don't confuse my defense of the SRT8's with disloyalty to my GT either. As somebody that also owns an SRT8 I'm at liberty to share some of that experience first hand with you guys.
The Mustang will continue to be very successful. It is an amazing bargain, but in the face of faster competition I hope Ford keeps the performance gap to within a discretionary level. The Mustang niche is good performance at a bargain price. I don't see the Challenger being a huge threat to that unless the 380hp 5.7 R/T Challenger is priced at or below the GT. Even then the Mustang aftermarket is so much more appealing.
The Mustang will continue to be very successful. It is an amazing bargain, but in the face of faster competition I hope Ford keeps the performance gap to within a discretionary level. The Mustang niche is good performance at a bargain price. I don't see the Challenger being a huge threat to that unless the 380hp 5.7 R/T Challenger is priced at or below the GT. Even then the Mustang aftermarket is so much more appealing.
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