Thinking about removing the Saleen HID's
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Or lights are too bright or misaligned....
Not likely, the lights are too bright or misaligned....
I drive my 2005 F-450 all over the USA, Empty I never get flashed, when I carry 8000 pounds of weight, that drops my rear end and raises my front end, changing my headlight adjustment.
People are then being irritated by my lights because my same old FACTORY installed and adjusted DOT approved lights are now too bright because they are no longer adjusted properly. It's not the other drivers it is my lights. When I take the weight off the lights don't blind anyone anymore, and I don't get flashed.
BTW:
Both of my 2008 Mustangs have the factory HID lights and I DO NOT get flashed by any on coming traffic with my low beams on...
I drive my 2005 F-450 all over the USA, Empty I never get flashed, when I carry 8000 pounds of weight, that drops my rear end and raises my front end, changing my headlight adjustment.
People are then being irritated by my lights because my same old FACTORY installed and adjusted DOT approved lights are now too bright because they are no longer adjusted properly. It's not the other drivers it is my lights. When I take the weight off the lights don't blind anyone anymore, and I don't get flashed.
BTW:
Both of my 2008 Mustangs have the factory HID lights and I DO NOT get flashed by any on coming traffic with my low beams on...
There is a third possibility: The people doing the flashing are in the wrong.
The OP already said he checked his alignment, and it's correct. The lights are DOT approved, so there's nothing illegal about their brightness level. They're just brighter than the cars around you, which makes some oncoming people think something's wrong. Nothing's wrong, they just need to resist their compulsion to correct other drivers.
The OP already said he checked his alignment, and it's correct. The lights are DOT approved, so there's nothing illegal about their brightness level. They're just brighter than the cars around you, which makes some oncoming people think something's wrong. Nothing's wrong, they just need to resist their compulsion to correct other drivers.
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Fer Crying out loud People! It is Illegal!!!
Question: I want to know if drivers are required by law to turn off fog and auxiliary lights when they are required to dim their headlights? If they are, why is the law not being enforced? Are the very bright and blue tinted lights legal? If not, why isn’t this law enforced?
A: Fog and auxiliary lights are essentially the same thing, according to Michele O’Leary, vehicle safety equipment manager with the Oregon Department of Transportation. They are to be used in the same conditions as a vehicle’s bright lights, such as during limited visibility conditions of rain, snow, dust or fog, she said.
The laws governing bright or high beam headlights are specified in the 2005-2007 Oregon Driver Manual, which states that a vehicle’s high beam headlights must be dimmed, and auxiliary lights turned off, when an oncoming vehicle is within 500 feet.
Headlight beams must be dimmed when following another vehicle within 350 feet, according to the manual.
According to Trooper Jeff Walker of the Oregon State Police, the OSP Coos Bay command received a Jan. 25 update on auxiliary lights from Senior Trooper Douglas Brown in the Salem area command.
The update clarifies that fog/auxiliary lights are legal when:
* they are white, amber or yellow in color;
* they are used in combination with headlights;
* they are used in times of limited visibility, defined as “anytime from sunset to sunrise and also whenever persons and vehicles are not clearly discernible on a straight, level, unlighted highway at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead”.
They are NOT legal when:
* they are used when an oncoming vehicle is within 500 feet or when following a vehicle within 350 feet;
* they are mounted higher than 54 inches when on a highway;
* when there are more than four lights of more than 300 candlepower on the front of the vehicle.
“In summary, when an oncoming vehicle approaches you from in front or from behind during limited visibility conditions and fails to turn off their fog lights, or another motorist blinds you with their auxiliary lights during any lighting conditions, you have (probable cause) for a stop,” the update reads.
Rules which specify the standards for mounting, aiming and adjusting fog lights are found in Oregon Administrative Rules, Section 735, under Division 108, lighting equipment. For those interested, there are 11 different rules that can be viewed at http://www.sos.state.or.us/archives/rules/ or the information can be obtained by calling Oregon State Archives in Salem, (503) 373-0701.
Regarding blue-tinted lights, O’Leary said the state of Oregon has adopted the federal standards that blue-coated or lights that are too bright are illegal.
O’Leary said there are some after-market lights that are not in compliance.
“Oregon law does say that the lights have to be white,” O’Leary said. “It gets really ticklish because there are some new lights that have a bluish-type tint to them.”
She said that a good way to test lights is to put a white piece of paper in front of the bulb when turning it on.
“If it goes blue, then it’s illegal,” O’Leary said .
O’Leary admitted that bright lights can be tough for many people to handle.
“Some people are more susceptible to light,” she said. “Especially as we age, it becomes more painful.”
A: Fog and auxiliary lights are essentially the same thing, according to Michele O’Leary, vehicle safety equipment manager with the Oregon Department of Transportation. They are to be used in the same conditions as a vehicle’s bright lights, such as during limited visibility conditions of rain, snow, dust or fog, she said.
The laws governing bright or high beam headlights are specified in the 2005-2007 Oregon Driver Manual, which states that a vehicle’s high beam headlights must be dimmed, and auxiliary lights turned off, when an oncoming vehicle is within 500 feet.
Headlight beams must be dimmed when following another vehicle within 350 feet, according to the manual.
According to Trooper Jeff Walker of the Oregon State Police, the OSP Coos Bay command received a Jan. 25 update on auxiliary lights from Senior Trooper Douglas Brown in the Salem area command.
The update clarifies that fog/auxiliary lights are legal when:
* they are white, amber or yellow in color;
* they are used in combination with headlights;
* they are used in times of limited visibility, defined as “anytime from sunset to sunrise and also whenever persons and vehicles are not clearly discernible on a straight, level, unlighted highway at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead”.
They are NOT legal when:
* they are used when an oncoming vehicle is within 500 feet or when following a vehicle within 350 feet;
* they are mounted higher than 54 inches when on a highway;
* when there are more than four lights of more than 300 candlepower on the front of the vehicle.
“In summary, when an oncoming vehicle approaches you from in front or from behind during limited visibility conditions and fails to turn off their fog lights, or another motorist blinds you with their auxiliary lights during any lighting conditions, you have (probable cause) for a stop,” the update reads.
Rules which specify the standards for mounting, aiming and adjusting fog lights are found in Oregon Administrative Rules, Section 735, under Division 108, lighting equipment. For those interested, there are 11 different rules that can be viewed at http://www.sos.state.or.us/archives/rules/ or the information can be obtained by calling Oregon State Archives in Salem, (503) 373-0701.
Regarding blue-tinted lights, O’Leary said the state of Oregon has adopted the federal standards that blue-coated or lights that are too bright are illegal.
O’Leary said there are some after-market lights that are not in compliance.
“Oregon law does say that the lights have to be white,” O’Leary said. “It gets really ticklish because there are some new lights that have a bluish-type tint to them.”
She said that a good way to test lights is to put a white piece of paper in front of the bulb when turning it on.
“If it goes blue, then it’s illegal,” O’Leary said .
O’Leary admitted that bright lights can be tough for many people to handle.
“Some people are more susceptible to light,” she said. “Especially as we age, it becomes more painful.”
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Misaligned? Nope, checked (twice now).
Too bright? They aren't in my opinion, or the opinion of this guy (he checked that too). But that's subjective, so maybe we should let the SAE and DOT be the judge. They say the lights are acceptable.
So I think all signs point to the possibility that the people doing the flashing are just morons, which I don't find difficult to believe at all.
Too bright? They aren't in my opinion, or the opinion of this guy (he checked that too). But that's subjective, so maybe we should let the SAE and DOT be the judge. They say the lights are acceptable.
So I think all signs point to the possibility that the people doing the flashing are just morons, which I don't find difficult to believe at all.
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Hey guys I wanted your opinion on this... I installed the Saleen HID's about a year ago. They are very cool lights, but I think they are too bright or something because I have been getting flashed from other drivers quite a bit. I took it down to the parking garage where I aligned them to double check if they are aligned correctly and they are. They haven't moved at all. So I am thinking they are just too bright. I do not want to be stopped for soemthing like this.
Have others with the Saleen HID's been stopped for these headlights being too bright?
If I do pull them I will sell them. Kinda sucks because they were rather expensive.
Have others with the Saleen HID's been stopped for these headlights being too bright?
If I do pull them I will sell them. Kinda sucks because they were rather expensive.
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This isn't rocket science. If you are getting flashed by many people, you have a problem with your lights! Period.
Both of my 2008 Mustangs have the factory HID lights and I DO NOT get flashed by any on coming traffic with my low beams on.
Both of my 2008 Mustangs have the factory HID lights and I DO NOT get flashed by any on coming traffic with my low beams on.
Misaligned? Nope, checked (twice now).
Too bright? They aren't in my opinion, or the opinion of this guy (he checked that too). But that's subjective, so maybe we should let the SAE and DOT be the judge. They say the lights are acceptable.
So I think all signs point to the possibility that the people doing the flashing are just morons, which I don't find difficult to believe at all.
Too bright? They aren't in my opinion, or the opinion of this guy (he checked that too). But that's subjective, so maybe we should let the SAE and DOT be the judge. They say the lights are acceptable.
So I think all signs point to the possibility that the people doing the flashing are just morons, which I don't find difficult to believe at all.
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Works for me.
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I wish I had one 2008 Mustang with factory HID lights. You must be rich!
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