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relax. Im messing with you. Im trying to point out how important new filters are..You spend $30k for a new Mustang and ask if a $4 filter is needed when you change oil.. See what Im talking about now? How silly it sounds.. lets see. $4 every 5000 miles for an oil change is a savings of $80 over 100,000 miles..
@topbliss, hey I thought this was The Mustang Source.com Not topblissdumbassopinion.com !
but siserously when you get a funny engine noise and the ford tech tell you that it's a normal 4.6l
engine sound and then you show them a oil filter full of shavings I wonder what the retort would be.
but siserously when you get a funny engine noise and the ford tech tell you that it's a normal 4.6l
engine sound and then you show them a oil filter full of shavings I wonder what the retort would be.
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on the subject of oil filters...over on fordmuscle.com in the galaxie forums, theres a old guy that goes by 'jcallisson' who has a 64(i think) Galaxie that has NEVER had an oil change except during a rebuild in the early 80's...hed said the motor was clean as a whistle inside at the rebuild, but it was pulled due to over 100k or something like that. he got the car from a relative that put a 'frantz' oil filter on it when new- its a remote filter that uses(seriously) a roll of toilet paper as a filter...it dont filter all the oil like a factory filter, instead it bleeds some off the sender port and cleans it/sends it back to the pan. I think its every 1000 miles you swap the tp roll out and top off the oil~ 1/2 qt or so...sounded kinda nuts, but read up on them- yes they are still made, but now only really used on commercial trucks, but same way- oil lasts indefinitely due to the ultra fine cleaning removing any particulates, and the paper holds any moisture that hits it, keeping the oil clear as new for years...
after reading up on that, seriously wonder if by using one of those and a accu-sump preluber, these engines might run darn near forever without ever needing a conventional oil change, and little to no startup wear.
after reading up on that, seriously wonder if by using one of those and a accu-sump preluber, these engines might run darn near forever without ever needing a conventional oil change, and little to no startup wear.
These filters have been around for ever. I used to see them advertised in J.C. Whitney in the early 60's.
I once read they filter too good and will remove beneficial additives out of the oil along with dirt. Also, not being a full flow filter design, if something did get into the oil, like shavings etc, it could be sent directly to the bearings. I think I'll stick with a $4 Motorcraft filter, thank you.
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Thanks for that info.
No. They won't. If they want to SPECIFY the exact part that is used as a service replacement part to maintain the warranty status, then they are required under Federal Law to provide that part for FREE. I don't remember getting any free filters (or oil for that matter) from Ford, so I am pretty safe in saying that using a suitable aftermarket filter + oil will NOT void your warranty.
What they CAN do is state that any replacement parts meet certain standards. If you check your owners manual, it does NOT say you must use Ford Motorcraft oil xyz, but instead it says "To protect your engine's warranty, use Motorcraft 5W-20 OR AN EQUIVILANT 5W-20 OIL MEETING FORD'S SPECIFICATION WSS-M2C930-A". If they said we HAD to use Motorcraft 5W-20 oil, then they would HAVE to provide the oil to us free of charge...
Just for the record, I worked for a semiconductor manufacturer. One of the tools they used as a lead plater. The company that made that tool tried to tell use that using aftermarket rebuild plater cups (a PM part that was changed once per quarter and there are 18 on the tool. Each one was about $6000 from the vendor) would void the warranty.
That lasted right until our lawyers pointed out that nice little Federal law and offered to allow the vendor to start providing new, FREE plater cups for each quarterly PM. The vendor dropped that little "voiding your warranty" issue pretty much instantly.
What they CAN do is state that any replacement parts meet certain standards. If you check your owners manual, it does NOT say you must use Ford Motorcraft oil xyz, but instead it says "To protect your engine's warranty, use Motorcraft 5W-20 OR AN EQUIVILANT 5W-20 OIL MEETING FORD'S SPECIFICATION WSS-M2C930-A". If they said we HAD to use Motorcraft 5W-20 oil, then they would HAVE to provide the oil to us free of charge...
Just for the record, I worked for a semiconductor manufacturer. One of the tools they used as a lead plater. The company that made that tool tried to tell use that using aftermarket rebuild plater cups (a PM part that was changed once per quarter and there are 18 on the tool. Each one was about $6000 from the vendor) would void the warranty.
That lasted right until our lawyers pointed out that nice little Federal law and offered to allow the vendor to start providing new, FREE plater cups for each quarterly PM. The vendor dropped that little "voiding your warranty" issue pretty much instantly.
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here ya go change it every 25k miles. http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=EAO11-EA
here are some bypass filter systems they are pricey tho.
http://www.amsoil.com/a/By-Pass-Filters-Mounts
Either way oil needs to be changed at least once a year
here are some bypass filter systems they are pricey tho.
http://www.amsoil.com/a/By-Pass-Filters-Mounts
Either way oil needs to be changed at least once a year
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I was running FRPP filters (with Pennzoil Pure Platinum syn), but I'm going back to Pure 1 this time. $13 v. $6.50 and I get a better trap efficiency. With only 11K on the car I'm also going to a 6 month interval.
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No. They won't. If they want to SPECIFY the exact part that is used as a service replacement part to maintain the warranty status, then they are required under Federal Law to provide that part for FREE. I don't remember getting any free filters (or oil for that matter) from Ford, so I am pretty safe in saying that using a suitable aftermarket filter + oil will NOT void your warranty.
What they CAN do is state that any replacement parts meet certain standards. If you check your owners manual, it does NOT say you must use Ford Motorcraft oil xyz, but instead it says "To protect your engine's warranty, use Motorcraft 5W-20 OR AN EQUIVILANT 5W-20 OIL MEETING FORD'S SPECIFICATION WSS-M2C930-A". If they said we HAD to use Motorcraft 5W-20 oil, then they would HAVE to provide the oil to us free of charge...
Just for the record, I worked for a semiconductor manufacturer. One of the tools they used as a lead plater. The company that made that tool tried to tell use that using aftermarket rebuild plater cups (a PM part that was changed once per quarter and there are 18 on the tool. Each one was about $6000 from the vendor) would void the warranty.
That lasted right until our lawyers pointed out that nice little Federal law and offered to allow the vendor to start providing new, FREE plater cups for each quarterly PM. The vendor dropped that little "voiding your warranty" issue pretty much instantly.
What they CAN do is state that any replacement parts meet certain standards. If you check your owners manual, it does NOT say you must use Ford Motorcraft oil xyz, but instead it says "To protect your engine's warranty, use Motorcraft 5W-20 OR AN EQUIVILANT 5W-20 OIL MEETING FORD'S SPECIFICATION WSS-M2C930-A". If they said we HAD to use Motorcraft 5W-20 oil, then they would HAVE to provide the oil to us free of charge...
Just for the record, I worked for a semiconductor manufacturer. One of the tools they used as a lead plater. The company that made that tool tried to tell use that using aftermarket rebuild plater cups (a PM part that was changed once per quarter and there are 18 on the tool. Each one was about $6000 from the vendor) would void the warranty.
That lasted right until our lawyers pointed out that nice little Federal law and offered to allow the vendor to start providing new, FREE plater cups for each quarterly PM. The vendor dropped that little "voiding your warranty" issue pretty much instantly.
Last edited by red pony; Dec 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Rewording because of double post
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These filters have been around for ever. I used to see them advertised in J.C. Whitney in the early 60's.
I once read they filter too good and will remove beneficial additives out of the oil along with dirt. Also, not being a full flow filter design, if something did get into the oil, like shavings etc, it could be sent directly to the bearings. I think I'll stick with a $4 Motorcraft filter, thank you.
I once read they filter too good and will remove beneficial additives out of the oil along with dirt. Also, not being a full flow filter design, if something did get into the oil, like shavings etc, it could be sent directly to the bearings. I think I'll stick with a $4 Motorcraft filter, thank you.
I guess if you followed the maintenance instructions & frequently changed the paper roll (like the guy with the Galaxie did), it would work fine....
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I use the Ford Racing filter -high flow ,cost $15.00,,,,,and that brings up a good question to all,,,,how do you feel about the high flow idea,and YES, the holes are bigger.and its a under warranty item.cost more but works really great,and you can get them at the ford dealership with or without their oil change.
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check out this link http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html
has alot of info and cool that there really only a few manufactures of oil filters. Luckly the motorcraft filter comes out as one of the better ones
has alot of info and cool that there really only a few manufactures of oil filters. Luckly the motorcraft filter comes out as one of the better ones
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check out this link http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html
has alot of info and cool that there really only a few manufactures of oil filters. Luckly the motorcraft filter comes out as one of the better ones
has alot of info and cool that there really only a few manufactures of oil filters. Luckly the motorcraft filter comes out as one of the better ones
thanks for sharing that...pretty interesting stuff- and I repeat no more frams for me
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Good thread here guys, I am wondering what price you guys are paying for the fordracing fl820s? I have a Shelby GT500 and was thinking of just using the racing fl820 on my 05 Mustang GT too. Anybody have a good online place I can order 5-6 of these at one time? Thanks!
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here ya go change it every 25k miles. http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?c...-EA&zo=1667299
here are some bypass filter systems they are pricey tho.
http://www.amsoil.com/a/By-Pass-Filt...nts&zo=1667299
Either way oil needs to be changed at least once a year
here are some bypass filter systems they are pricey tho.
http://www.amsoil.com/a/By-Pass-Filt...nts&zo=1667299
Either way oil needs to be changed at least once a year
like this guy did
http://www.amsoil.com/bypassfilters/..._Fleschner.pdf
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Good thread here guys, I am wondering what price you guys are paying for the fordracing fl820s? I have a Shelby GT500 and was thinking of just using the racing fl820 on my 05 Mustang GT too. Anybody have a good online place I can order 5-6 of these at one time? Thanks!
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From what I've personally seen I'm guessing that Ford tries to standardize their parts. I use Mobil 1 filters and the model 210 is recommended for my '96 truck's 351, my son's '08 V6 Pony Package, my '07 GT vert., and my wife's '09 Grand Marquis, It also fit my wife's previous '98 Grand Marquis. Kinda makes it easy for this old fart when buying filters.
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