2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

Good Bye Motorcraft 2 Piece Plugs!

Old Jan 31, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Kat, yes, those are the only one-piece plugs
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 07:33 AM
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but the ones with the updated heads(late 08 to 2010) have one piece plugs already in them right?
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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Wow! $100 for a do-it-yourself spark plug change. I guess I'm out of touch, last time I did my 70 Dodge Challenger it was $10.
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by trick25
but the ones with the updated heads(late 08 to 2010) have one piece plugs already in them right?
Correct but it's most cars built in 2008 that have the new updated design. My car was built in November 2007 and I've got the old design. Pretty lucky, right?

Originally Posted by Katfish
Wow! $100 for a do-it-yourself spark plug change. I guess I'm out of touch, last time I did my 70 Dodge Challenger it was $10.
Times are changing..

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Katfish
Wow! $100 for a do-it-yourself spark plug change. I guess I'm out of touch, last time I did my 70 Dodge Challenger it was $10.
Ah, if only this car could do anything for $10 besides a 1/4 mile worth of gas....
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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I put Champion #7989 plugs in my '06 GT 25K+ miles ago. Hasen't missed a beat yet. I am very happy with the results. I'll NEVER put one of those crap 2 piece plugs in my engine again.
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by roger blose
Anti-seize on all of the Champions threads and in they went at 30 Ft Lbs.
For those who reinstall a two piece plug apply the anti-seize on the metal sheath that is below the threads. Anti-seize on the threads is important too, but the threads are not the reason why these plugs break.
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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It's important to note that you want to use nickle anti-seize and nothing else. Also be very careful that none gets on the electrode otherwise you're going to have problems.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 02:17 AM
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I really don't see what the big fuss is all about...when it's time to replace the plugs (which will probably be in another 4-5 years...I have 20K miles on her now), I will take it to the Ford Dealer and have them do it. If they break a plug, then it's up to them to remove it...and I should only have to pay what it costs for a routine plug change out...
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark S.
I really don't see what the big fuss is all about...when it's time to replace the plugs (which will probably be in another 4-5 years...I have 20K miles on her now), I will take it to the Ford Dealer and have them do it. If they break a plug, then it's up to them to remove it...and I should only have to pay what it costs for a routine plug change out...
I've read too many threads where Ford charges the extra hours to extract your broken plug - maintenance items are not under warranty either.
If you're going to think that way, don't wait so many miles to have Ford do it so the carbon doesn't build up.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
I've read too many threads where Ford charges the extra hours to extract your broken plug - maintenance items are not under warranty either.
If you're going to think that way, don't wait so many miles to have Ford do it so the carbon doesn't build up.
They probably break them on purpose to get paid extra - doesn't seem right that they charge you for something they broke.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 09:31 AM
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Unfortunately it's not the dealers fault the plug breaks, there not gonna spend 3 hours on it and fix it for free.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 03:03 PM
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There's nothing wrong with the Motocraft 2-piece plugs. In fact, from what I have heard, they are probably the best quality plugs you can get for the S197.

Just remove the plugs before 20k miles appears on the speedo, and replace with a brand new set of Motocraft plugs... but this time, add the correct anti-sieze as shown in the TSB.

I've done this and have had no problems at all.

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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yugoboss
Unfortunately it's not the dealers fault the plug breaks, there not gonna spend 3 hours on it and fix it for free.
Exactly. I'm no dealer fan, but why should they have to eat the cost of hours of labor because of a problem with Ford's product? Ford should man up and pay for it just like any other defective product, but they won't. Thus the need to swap out their crappy spark plugs for a one piece and be done with it.

BTW, I just removed the stock plugs for the second time - first time was at 25K miles. I didn't have the Champions at that time, so I put in new stock plugs with anti-sieze. They were a b*tch to get out the first time - very choppy when turning the torque wrench, creaked like an old barn door. Luckily, none broke (followed the TSB). This time, at 48K miles, they came out easy - smooth as silk. So the anti-sieze seems to make a difference. Put in Champions this time - running great, no longer have to think about it. I did put a little anti-sieze on the barrel just in case.

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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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So... With everything I have been reading... Today sweaty and shaking I decided to change my plugs. I was so nervous (and hoping to cause had I broke a plug I convinced myself I was getting new heads) that a plug was going to snap but they actually cam out really easy. Broke them loose and turned them out by hand. What a relief!
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Whosit
So... With everything I have been reading... Today sweaty and shaking I decided to change my plugs. I was so nervous (and hoping to cause had I broke a plug I convinced myself I was getting new heads) that a plug was going to snap but they actually cam out really easy. Broke them loose and turned them out by hand. What a relief!
phew!!!
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ3
AA on the cam cover means old style heads, two piece plugs, AB means new style heads, one piece plugs. Looks like cars built around 11/07 and newer have the new heads\plugs.
I just bought an '06 GT with 14,000 miles and have been following this thread with much interest. I checked my car and it has the AB suffix on the label. My car was built in December '05. What's up. I sure hope it does indeed have the one-piece plugs.

TJ

It has black boots on the COP's also

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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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All 05/06's are 2 piece plugs I think.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Whosit
All 05/06's are 2 piece plugs I think.
Yup. The changeover on the line was Dec 07 for 08 models. The brown plug boot is the new 1 piece plug. The black plug boot is the old 2 piece.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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So, the AA or AB suffix on the cam cover label is not significant?
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