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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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Funny, just over 91K miles on my 05. 4 of the plugs spun free (Snapped), but I had to take a rubberized tool inside and bend them until heard a crack so I could use the tool. That tool made it an absolute breeze to get them out.

I soaked them yesterday afternoon, backed them out a 1/4 turn last night and soaked a little again. Blew them out this morning with some air then snugged them up and backed out another 1/4 turn and let them soak as per the TSB. But gave them a good hour. Still broke 4, but the new plugs are in and I feel much better.

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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nbk13nw
Funny, just over 91K miles on my 05. 4 of the plugs spun free (Sapped), but I had to take a rubberized tool inside and bend them until Ihard a crack so I could use the tool. That tool made it an absolute breeze to get them out.

I soaked them yesterday afternoon, backed them out a 1/4 turn last night and soaked a little again. Blew them out this morning with some air then snugged them up and backed out another 1/4 turn and let them soak as per the TSB. But gave them a good hour. Still broke 4, but the new plugs are in and I feel much better.
Great job!
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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They probably break them on purpose to get paid extra - doesn't seem right that they charge you for something they broke.
I agree
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 07:50 AM
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So I found a part number for the one-piece BRISK plugs:

BRISK Silver Racing 3VR17YS Spark Plug #57

What is the part number for the champion one-piece plugs?
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MADSCOTSMAN
So I found a part number for the one-piece BRISK plugs:

BRISK Silver Racing 3VR17YS Spark Plug #57

What is the part number for the champion one-piece plugs?
Champion 7989. They are platinum so they should last longer than the Brisk. If they are in fact silver then it technically should be a better conductor but I doubt there is that much difference.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 05:44 AM
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I just changed my plugs at just under 30K and everything went smoothly!! Went with OEM Motorcraft 2-piece for now. May change later on, but these came out suprisingly not too hard.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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I just put in the champions today. I inspected them well and they looked good and they were in spec.
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
I just put in the champions today. I inspected them well and they looked good and they were in spec.

Mine weren't quite so good. After about 6 miles car ran like crap and I discovered here's why: SUC52282.JPG
Got an email to the supplier to see what he's going to do about this as I brought these back in December and put them just a couple of days ago.
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
Champion 7989. They are platinum so they should last longer than the Brisk. If they are in fact silver then it technically should be a better conductor but I doubt there is that much difference.

There isn't.
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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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Defective Champion plug 7989 from RockAuto.

Originally Posted by lenko
Mine weren't quite so good. After about 6 miles car ran like crap and I discovered here's why: SUC52282.JPG
Got an email to the supplier to see what he's going to do about this as I brought these back in December and put them just a couple of days ago.
RockAuto (internet store) said I could ship it back at my expense and they would send me another at my expense which would cost more than the plug was worth. Told me it was more than 30 days since I bought them.

Called Dave Renault of Federal Mogul (Champion plugs) in Ontario and he went the extra mile (good will) and arranged to have the defective plug replaced at my point. RockAuto and Federal Mogul in the USA weren't much
help and don't appear to know the definition of "good will".
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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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I installed a set of HT-1's in my 05 GT this afternoon to replace the OEM originals. Nothing broke and it took me about 30 minutes to do. I used the brake cleaner on each plug after I got it a 1/4 turn out and soaked for about 2 or 3 minutes.

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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 10:56 PM
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So let me get this straight... we STILL have no viable replacements for those POS 2 piece spark plugs?

I have 75k miles on my 2005 with the original plugs in.

I am TERRIFIED of touching them, although I am thinking I need to because I am getting spark knock now with 87 Octane gas. (I have to use 89) I think several years of running Doug's tune (87 Performance) has helped out in carboning up the chambers.

What to do? What to do? Brisk? Champion? What is this "Rubberized Tool" nbk13nw refers to (I mean the one used to remove broken plugs? )

I am not a happy camper.
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 03:28 AM
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I went to Champions. Never looked back. Very happy with the results.
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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No probs with Champions here either.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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What gap are you guys using for the champion plugs?

Rockauto has the Ford plugs at .054, champion at .045?
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Old Apr 10, 2010 | 12:00 AM
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I was thinking factory spec was .04-.05. I checked all the champions and they were in spec according to the owners and service manuals. So far so good.
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Old Apr 10, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Set the gap at .045" for OEM plugs.
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mrkabc
So let me get this straight... we STILL have no viable replacements for those POS 2 piece spark plugs?
Forgive my ignorance...
Ok....what is stock? Motocraft?

Are the Champion replacements also 2 piece?

What are HT1's?
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Barricade
Forgive my ignorance...
Ok....what is stock? Motocraft?

Are the Champion replacements also 2 piece?

What are HT1's?
Stock: Motorcraft, 2 piece

Champion #7989: 1 piece, double platinum

HT1: 2 piece
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 04:45 AM
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one piece have less chance of snapping...correct?
I dont think I have ever seen a two piece plug before.

Also it looks like I need a different gapping tool...??
I always steered clear of Champions before and cant really remember why....
Maybe cause I drove a GTO and we used AC Delco....I dunno. Cant remember.

Are those good plugs?? Or is that like asking what the best oil is? lol

Lookie here:
http://www.denlorstools.com/autoblog...ds-bad-design/

Here is the TSB info

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