Ford Unveils Next-Generation V-6 Engine
11/10/05, 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by max2000jp@November 10, 2005, 9:10 AM
There is a lot more information you need to know than wall thickness to tell how much theoretical hp an engine can handle. I doubt Ford built this motor to withstand more than 400 hp at the crank.
There is a lot more information you need to know than wall thickness to tell how much theoretical hp an engine can handle. I doubt Ford built this motor to withstand more than 400 hp at the crank.
LOL!! Your funny max2000jp!! But I like the lowball approach! With this particular topic, we are searching for pieces to the puzzle.. We are just piecing it all together.. 400Hp shows very little faith my friend.. Lets try and be more optimistic!
Remember its all the small things which add up to a HP#.. This is all we're trying to find..
11/10/05, 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by MSP@November 10, 2005, 12:23 PM
LOL!! Your funny max2000jp!! But I like the lowball approach! With this particular topic, we are searching for pieces to the puzzle.. We are just piecing it all together.. 400Hp shows very little faith my friend.. Lets try and be more optimistic!
Remember its all the small things which add up to a HP#.. This is all we're trying to find..
LOL!! Your funny max2000jp!! But I like the lowball approach! With this particular topic, we are searching for pieces to the puzzle.. We are just piecing it all together.. 400Hp shows very little faith my friend.. Lets try and be more optimistic!
Remember its all the small things which add up to a HP#.. This is all we're trying to find..
11/10/05, 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by max2000jp@November 10, 2005, 11:35 AM
Think simple, remember the basics.....COST. Ford isn't in the greatest financial situation. They aren't going to waste money overbuilding an engine at this time. This engine is a mass produced high volume motor, nothing special. Ford would be better off spending money on their interior/exterior quality. C&D complained about massive gaps in the body panels when they reviewed the Fusion
Think simple, remember the basics.....COST. Ford isn't in the greatest financial situation. They aren't going to waste money overbuilding an engine at this time. This engine is a mass produced high volume motor, nothing special. Ford would be better off spending money on their interior/exterior quality. C&D complained about massive gaps in the body panels when they reviewed the Fusion
Ford obviously tried to design the front sheetmetal so it could be assembled with loose tolerances and, therefore, low manufacturing cost. Very sensible, we think, but it should be done in a way that escapes the customer's notice. From certain angles, our test car's hood gap was so wide it looked to be unlatched. All around the car, the Fusion's panel gaps are wider than those of the comparison cars. And like the Hyundai, it's not good at smoothing the parting lines on molded parts. "Fit and finish" is the Fusion's weakest rating category.
11/10/05, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Airwolf@November 10, 2005, 10:50 AM
I was planning on ordering a 2006 V6 mustang in december, but i wonder if i shouldnt wait for the 2007 model now?
I was planning on ordering a 2006 V6 mustang in december, but i wonder if i shouldnt wait for the 2007 model now?
This motor may not ever see the Mustang V6.. Yes this is a good motor, but the current SOHC 4.0 is producing very good numbers, with stock internals.. The aftermarket parts are fast coming onboard.. The current SOHC 4.0's can be stroked to 4.3L.. With forged internals,heads and cams, you could get 450 to 500RWHP..
Looky here for all your SOHC 4.0 high HP parts! We'll be ok.. The GT is tough and mod for mod, we cant compete.. However, I'll be happy with 350RWHP, even though a bone stock 4.0 SOHC motor has already produced 400RWHP, and 441RWTQ with a single turbo.. Buy yourself that V6 Stang my man, if thats your desire.. Hope lies in your ability to harness it, and waiting for hope means it may never come! Have hope!! Live Long, and prosper!
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/PDF/SSM...CatalogVer2.pdf
11/10/05, 01:04 PM
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Cyclone if I remember (the 3.5) was in development before I heard of the hurricane...
From the sounds of the codenames, you'd think they were part of the same plan/timeframe
From the sounds of the codenames, you'd think they were part of the same plan/timeframe
11/10/05, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by baggs32@November 10, 2005, 10:59 PM
Do you have a link for that by chance? I couldn't find it over there.
Do you have a link for that by chance? I couldn't find it over there.
11/10/05, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by MSP@November 11, 2005, 1:24 AM
Yes MSP!! You are correct! Nice Call Sir!
The engine and transmission have plenty of expansion room. The V-6 could easily be scaled up to deliver 300 horsepower and is designed to support turbocharging and direct injection, said Samardzich. The new transmission can also handle up to 300 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../C01-377888.htm
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Which pretty much means, without a need to go into too many details, this is Ford's answer to the Toyota Supra Motor!
Yes my friends, this engine eventually will find its way into 1000RWHP Mustangs with fat twin turbo's... This is it guys.. This is what you have been waiting for.. Now its just a matter of will we ever get it!!
Yes MSP!! You are correct! Nice Call Sir!
The engine and transmission have plenty of expansion room. The V-6 could easily be scaled up to deliver 300 horsepower and is designed to support turbocharging and direct injection, said Samardzich. The new transmission can also handle up to 300 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../C01-377888.htm
Link provided by "1TrickPony"!
Which pretty much means, without a need to go into too many details, this is Ford's answer to the Toyota Supra Motor!
Yes my friends, this engine eventually will find its way into 1000RWHP Mustangs with fat twin turbo's... This is it guys.. This is what you have been waiting for.. Now its just a matter of will we ever get it!!
11/10/05, 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 10, 2005, 1:47 PM
"Massive" is a bit of an exaggeration. Here's the quote from C&D:
I don't see the word "massive" anywhere in there.
"Massive" is a bit of an exaggeration. Here's the quote from C&D:
I don't see the word "massive" anywhere in there.
11/10/05, 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by max2000jp@November 9, 2005, 9:37 AM
About 3 years late Ford; better late than never. I am a bit disppointed that the engine isn't a bit more powerful. The 3.5 VQ is more powerful and it has been around since 2002 in the Maxima.
About 3 years late Ford; better late than never. I am a bit disppointed that the engine isn't a bit more powerful. The 3.5 VQ is more powerful and it has been around since 2002 in the Maxima.
Still, a step in the right direction. Let's hope they do like the competition and continue to refine it each year, rather than sitting back on their laurels after it comes out and calling it a day.
Like you said, Nissan is coaxing 300 horses out of a similar displacement engine.
11/10/05, 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by max2000jp@November 10, 2005, 3:38 PM
Massive was my wording. The gap looked like the hood was unlatched. As an engineer, I wouldn't call that a close tolerance.
Massive was my wording. The gap looked like the hood was unlatched. As an engineer, I wouldn't call that a close tolerance.
OK, enough Fusion gap-talk. Back to the V6 discussion.
11/10/05, 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by BC_Shelby@November 10, 2005, 3:53 PM
Like you said, Nissan is coaxing 300 horses out of a similar displacement engine.
Like you said, Nissan is coaxing 300 horses out of a similar displacement engine.
11/10/05, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 10, 2005, 1:55 PM
With a premium fuel tune.. Everyone quotes that HP rating but fails to add that qualification.
With a premium fuel tune.. Everyone quotes that HP rating but fails to add that qualification.
Do insurance companies hold Domestic car makers to a higher standard than Foreign car makers? It appears to me, that foreign cars can get away with higher off the shelf HP ratings.. But say an American car has 300HP, and they want an arm and a leg.. Is this actually more political, than about boths engines ability to create and be sold while being rated at 300HP?
Is there something un-written or un-noticed by the consumer which is understood fro Auto makers that Foreign cars can be sold with more rated HP, and have cheaper premiums of an equivalent domestic car? Just curious.. Or does it all pan out to the same?
11/10/05, 03:05 PM
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MSP, it depends on the car and the driver. My insurance isn't too unreasonable. And I doubt a similiary valued Ford/Nissan would differ to greatly in rates based solely on HP. MSP, they take into account many things, such as likelihood to be stolen, etc.
The 4.0 should have very reasonable insurance rates for you, MSP.
But, we're so far off topic, I can see the Emerald City.
The 4.0 should have very reasonable insurance rates for you, MSP.
But, we're so far off topic, I can see the Emerald City.
11/10/05, 03:07 PM
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I Think of the Infinity with its new 330HP engine.. I think of a Porsche with a 450HP engine..
Why is it, that Foreign cars seem to have an easier time selling big HP ratings, and American cars are pretty much stuck below 300HP, or somewhere close.? I think is being hidden somewhere.. This HP rating all has to do with sales.. American cars with 300HP+ gets the shaft on insurance rates.. While Foreign cars get a pass.. This is political..
Why is it, that Foreign cars seem to have an easier time selling big HP ratings, and American cars are pretty much stuck below 300HP, or somewhere close.? I think is being hidden somewhere.. This HP rating all has to do with sales.. American cars with 300HP+ gets the shaft on insurance rates.. While Foreign cars get a pass.. This is political..
11/10/05, 03:07 PM
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Guys, this is a DURATEC engine. It's meant for Ford's family sedans. Whether the Mustang gets it or not, I am pretty sure Ford didn't design it to get much more than 300-350 hp. out of it MAX.
I am excited they finally got it ready for production, Ford needs it to be competitive, but seriously, this isn't revolutionary technology. Not to rain on your parade, but lets be realistic.
I am excited they finally got it ready for production, Ford needs it to be competitive, but seriously, this isn't revolutionary technology. Not to rain on your parade, but lets be realistic.
11/10/05, 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by JeffreyDJ@November 10, 2005, 2:08 PM
MSP, it depends on the car and the driver. My insurance isn't too unreasonable. And I doubt a similiary valued Ford/Nissan would differ to greatly in rates based solely on HP. MSP, they take into account many things, such as likelihood to be stolen, etc.
The 4.0 should have very reasonable insurance rates for you, MSP.
But, we're so far off topic, I can see the Emerald City.
MSP, it depends on the car and the driver. My insurance isn't too unreasonable. And I doubt a similiary valued Ford/Nissan would differ to greatly in rates based solely on HP. MSP, they take into account many things, such as likelihood to be stolen, etc.
The 4.0 should have very reasonable insurance rates for you, MSP.
But, we're so far off topic, I can see the Emerald City.
Ok back on topic..
11/10/05, 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 10, 2005, 4:55 PM
With a premium fuel tune.. Everyone quotes that HP rating but fails to add that qualification.
With a premium fuel tune.. Everyone quotes that HP rating but fails to add that qualification.