2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

Did Ford give me the wrong rear end ratio for my 5

Old Nov 30, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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In a way its too bad that you truely do have 3:55s, cause now the dealer won't be helping you change to 4:10s under warranty (assuming that he would have anyway).
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Isn't the the human (gearhead) mind a wonderful thing?

I have a 3.55. But now, I can't wait to upgrade to 4.10's....

I told my wife ( who was counting the driveshaft rev's in 30 deg F temps as I rotated the rear wheels) that I was happy Ford shipped me the right rear end, but I was bummed I couldn't get a free upgrade to 4.10's.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by gd06gt@November 30, 2005, 8:55 PM
Isn't the the human (gearhead) mind a wonderful thing?
Why, thank you very much. It is kind of you to notice, although I do try to be modest whenever possible.
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:48 AM
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1st gear in these cars with the 3.55's is almost worthless as you find yourself shifting to 2nd halfways through an intersection when driving normally. I can't imagine what 4.10's would be like for anything other than a simple drag-race...
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Big-Foot@December 2, 2005, 6:51 AM
1st gear in these cars with the 3.55's is almost worthless as you find yourself shifting to 2nd halfways through an intersection when driving normally. I can't imagine what 4.10's would be like for anything other than a simple drag-race...
Perhaps the most important aspect of going to a 4.10:1 gear ratio in a GT is where 3rd gear is placed. If you are passing on a two lane highway, a rapid pass probably will be done in 3rd gear. With that in mind and with the stock 3.55:1 gear ratio, peak horsepower comes on at 99 MPH, as is calculated here:

Tire Diameter (stock) = (23.5 cm)(1/2.54 in/cm)(0.55)(2) + 17" = 27.18 in
Circumference = (3.14159)(27.18 in)(1/12 ft/in)(1/5,280 mile/ft) = 0.0013477 mile/rev
Speed = (5,750 rev/min)(60 min/hr)(1/1.32 3rd gear)(1/3.55 axle ratio)(0.0013477 mile/rev) = 99 MPH

and with 4.10:1 gears, 3rd gear peak horsepower occurs at 86 MPH.
On a typical two-lane road, most passes will be complete well before you reach 86 MPH. That is why a 4.10:1 isn't a bad idea. The real drawback is you probably will loose 1 MPG from the switch.
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Big-Foot@December 2, 2005, 6:51 AM
1st gear in these cars with the 3.55's is almost worthless as you find yourself shifting to 2nd halfways through an intersection when driving normally.
I thought it was because I was a noob.
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Old Dec 3, 2005 | 11:37 AM
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so a gt automatic is suppose to have 3.31s? If that's the case then i'm definately getting some 3.73's or 4.10's
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Gearhead@December 2, 2005, 2:16 PM
Perhaps the most important aspect of going to a 4.10:1 gear ratio in a GT is where 3rd gear is placed. If you are passing on a two lane highway, a rapid pass probably will be done in 3rd gear. With that in mind and with the stock 3.55:1 gear ratio, peak horsepower comes on at 99 MPH, as is calculated here:

Tire Diameter (stock) = (23.5 cm)(1/2.54 in/cm)(0.55)(2) + 17" = 27.18 in
Circumference = (3.14159)(27.18 in)(1/12 ft/in)(1/5,280 mile/ft) = 0.0013477 mile/rev
Speed = (5,750 rev/min)(60 min/hr)(1/1.32 3rd gear)(1/3.55 axle ratio)(0.0013477 mile/rev) = 99 MPH

and with 4.10:1 gears, 3rd gear peak horsepower occurs at 86 MPH.
On a typical two-lane road, most passes will be complete well before you reach 86 MPH. That is why a 4.10:1 isn't a bad idea. The real drawback is you probably will loose 1 MPG from the switch.
Gearhead - I appreciate the time you took to figure this out and explain it here, but for that odd time that I would need to pass another car at highway speeds, I could drop into 2nd if need be - but I personally think that my GT has enough nuts to get the job done in 3rd gear right now.

It would be good to work up a spreadsheet that shows the gear spacing / RPM / MPH so people could make a rational choice in regard to gearing. Frankly - I think that anything deeper than 3.73's for the GT is a waste of time. Also by increasing the torque multiplication at the rear end, you are passing that additional load up the driveline. The transmission (TR3650) is a relatively strong piece, but it's not as strong as the TR3550 or the TR3550-TKO. I'm just not sure the tranny would be in the game for the long haul with deeper gears, drag-strip starts and tires that actually hooked up..
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