Bad News for those of you not scheduled
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Originally posted by Badsnke98+December 20, 2004, 9:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Badsnke98 @ December 20, 2004, 9:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-davids2toys@December 20, 2004, 6:12 PM
Just got off the phone with my salesmen, he did not know anything about anything, sounds like when i bought the car actually, anyway, he talked to the manager, all he knew was, no more 18G only 18R, boy he was already to change that order like is was no big deal at all, well i got very excited to say the least, he did not even know the difference between the 2 pkgs. For me , you just lose 2 much going to the 18R, and cant believe that a salesmen who actually sells these cars for a living doesnt know more about his product and has no passion for it either, so of course he would having a hard time understanding a customers passion for what he is selling.
He almost acted as though i had to change my order or else i may not get my car, I think he found it hard to believe that i did not want to change my order,and he was all concerned about me noit getting the car, he just doesnt understand. Personally, i think if ford was going to stop selling iup then they should make good on all orders they got up until the point of announcement, all orders after that, Ok, I think that would be fair anyway, after the order is taken and a deposit is taken, i would think that is binding, and they should deliver or pay damages,or a signifigant rebates or decent additional $ off the cars negotiated price.
Its two bad though, i am a chevy comeover, but i am quickly losing my new found faith and chance in buying a ford.
Does anybody know what happens if you let your order sit there, do you lose your place in line, do they ever build you a car, what happens???
Sorry for the rant, I am getting frustrated and POed
Just got off the phone with my salesmen, he did not know anything about anything, sounds like when i bought the car actually, anyway, he talked to the manager, all he knew was, no more 18G only 18R, boy he was already to change that order like is was no big deal at all, well i got very excited to say the least, he did not even know the difference between the 2 pkgs. For me , you just lose 2 much going to the 18R, and cant believe that a salesmen who actually sells these cars for a living doesnt know more about his product and has no passion for it either, so of course he would having a hard time understanding a customers passion for what he is selling.
He almost acted as though i had to change my order or else i may not get my car, I think he found it hard to believe that i did not want to change my order,and he was all concerned about me noit getting the car, he just doesnt understand. Personally, i think if ford was going to stop selling iup then they should make good on all orders they got up until the point of announcement, all orders after that, Ok, I think that would be fair anyway, after the order is taken and a deposit is taken, i would think that is binding, and they should deliver or pay damages,or a signifigant rebates or decent additional $ off the cars negotiated price.
Its two bad though, i am a chevy comeover, but i am quickly losing my new found faith and chance in buying a ford.
Does anybody know what happens if you let your order sit there, do you lose your place in line, do they ever build you a car, what happens???
Sorry for the rant, I am getting frustrated and POed
From the Mustang brochure page 22 at the bottom.
Comparisons based on 2004 competitive modes, publicly available information and Ford certification data at time of printing. Some features discussed may be optional. Vehicles shown may contain optional equipment. Features shown may be offered only in combination with other options of subject to additional ordering requirements of limitations. Following publication of the catalog, certain changes in standard equipnent, options and the like, or product delays many have occurred which would not be included in these pages. Your Ford Dealer is the best source to up-to-date information. Ford division reserves the right to change product specifications at any time without incurring obligations.
Don't make me tell what it states on the back of a VEHICLE PURCHASE ORDER which you should have signed that you read and agree to terms on the back!
It is that way across the board in manufacturing. Why not just tell the Ford dealer you will wait on a new Camaro, because you are too stupid to own a Mustang that makes more sense to me. [/b][/quote]
What's your deal? Nobody deserves a post like this one! Merry Christmas to you too. :angry:
Why not you did not read yours either?
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I went to the my dealer on Monday....took a test drive...awesome car...of course I couldn't take in more than 40km/hr with in the snow ..worst weather this year.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
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Originally posted by Tyson@December 21, 2004, 10:42 PM
I went to the my dealer on Monday....took a test drive...awesome car...of course I couldn't take in more than 40km/hr with in the snow ..worst weather this year.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
I went to the my dealer on Monday....took a test drive...awesome car...of course I couldn't take in more than 40km/hr with in the snow ..worst weather this year.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
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Originally posted by Tyson@December 21, 2004, 10:42 PM
I went to the my dealer on Monday....took a test drive...awesome car...of course I couldn't take in more than 40km/hr with in the snow ..worst weather this year.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
I went to the my dealer on Monday....took a test drive...awesome car...of course I couldn't take in more than 40km/hr with in the snow ..worst weather this year.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I'm placing an order with IUP hoping that when the build date comes IUP will be back in order. PAy the dumbas* Ford!!
Happy Holidays Everyone
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Originally posted by Tyson@December 21, 2004, 10:42 PM
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
My dealer read me a couple of emails regarding IUP...and it is because of the lawsuit. Ford cannot install mycolor in any vehicles or sell anymore vehicle with mycolor in it.
I still don't get why they can't include everything except MyColor in the IUP package. Why is it that the 18R package doesn't include aluminum dash panels or the aluminum door sill plates?
Guess I won't be getting an 05 Stang after all, at least not unless they sort this crap out.
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Originally posted by Shea@December 22, 2004, 1:39 AM
I still don't get why they can't include everything except MyColor in the IUP package. Why is it that the 18R package doesn't include aluminum dash panels or the aluminum door sill plates?
I still don't get why they can't include everything except MyColor in the IUP package. Why is it that the 18R package doesn't include aluminum dash panels or the aluminum door sill plates?
Ford should simply revise the IUP to include everything except the MyColor feature, since that seems to be what is causing the delay. I still want the ammeter and oil pressure gauge included--just without the color choices.
Ford, are you listening??? I am waiting to order my GT until this is resolved.
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remember, he said he went to his DEALER. We all know that ALOT of dealerships are not very knowledgable, some said a convertible would never be offered for crying out loud.
What did the emails say exactly? Where did they come from?
I'm not writing off the possibility that a lawsuit is holding things up, after all there may be some technical issues that FORD has to work around before they can offer the IUP w/o the MyColor -- I have no idea what they might be, afterall I don't see how aluminum pieces are affected by a color changing guage cluster, but perhaps there is something we don't know/see.
I'm just saying... NEVER TRUST A DEALER'S INFORMATION AS GOSPEL!
What did the emails say exactly? Where did they come from?
I'm not writing off the possibility that a lawsuit is holding things up, after all there may be some technical issues that FORD has to work around before they can offer the IUP w/o the MyColor -- I have no idea what they might be, afterall I don't see how aluminum pieces are affected by a color changing guage cluster, but perhaps there is something we don't know/see.
I'm just saying... NEVER TRUST A DEALER'S INFORMATION AS GOSPEL!
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More info...
The dealer email was from fords district manager. They are having a meeting today this afternoon to discuss what it all means. THe dealer said he will call me with any new news within the week. I put an order in for a loaded Windveil Blue with IUP. Put down a deposit. On the invoice it says deal depends on availability of IUP package. There is no way I want the crappy 18R package..not worth the money. And the IUP is a huge part of the interior of the car.
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
My dealer didn't even know about IUP issues until I told him, then he looked it up on his emails which he hadn't read yet and discovered the lawsuit issue is holding up IUP.
The dealer email was from fords district manager. They are having a meeting today this afternoon to discuss what it all means. THe dealer said he will call me with any new news within the week. I put an order in for a loaded Windveil Blue with IUP. Put down a deposit. On the invoice it says deal depends on availability of IUP package. There is no way I want the crappy 18R package..not worth the money. And the IUP is a huge part of the interior of the car.
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
My dealer didn't even know about IUP issues until I told him, then he looked it up on his emails which he hadn't read yet and discovered the lawsuit issue is holding up IUP.
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Originally posted by Tyson@December 22, 2004, 11:26 AM
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
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Originally posted by TomServo92+December 22, 2004, 11:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TomServo92 @ December 22, 2004, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tyson@December 22, 2004, 11:26 AM
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
Remember, this is in Canada...things are sometimes different. Canadian mustangs are built in Ontario as well, so maybe this affects things somehow.
I would assume that. My (canadian) 02 was built in Dearborn, just like all the american ones that year. Even though its a new plant now, I don't see why they would manufacture canadian ones somewhere else.
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Number 1 - I really have NO IDEA on what is going on. From my experience, it is extremely unusual for a company facing or possibly facing litigation to put anything in writing regarding a legal issue. Hopefully, after this meeting, we will know something and it will be at worst that the 18G IUP Option without My Color will be the outcome.
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Originally posted by bullittman@December 22, 2004, 11:54 AM
Mustangs at this time are ONLY built and assembled in Flat Rock at AAI. It may be some subassemblys , engines, etc. built in Canada.
Mustangs at this time are ONLY built and assembled in Flat Rock at AAI. It may be some subassemblys , engines, etc. built in Canada.
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Ok, I notice some bickering, no reason for it, especially at this time of year
The IUP is delayed, nothing has been shown otherwise. Perhaps the supplier has to shut the line down for a short time to upgrade it for a higher production rate, which means no IUP's in January, and LOTS available after. Just a thought.
The IUP is delayed, nothing has been shown otherwise. Perhaps the supplier has to shut the line down for a short time to upgrade it for a higher production rate, which means no IUP's in January, and LOTS available after. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by bullittman@December 22, 2004, 11:54 AM
Mustangs at this time are ONLY built and assembled in Flat Rock at AAI. It may be some subassemblys , engines, etc. built in Canada.
Mustangs at this time are ONLY built and assembled in Flat Rock at AAI. It may be some subassemblys , engines, etc. built in Canada.
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This thread is becoming very long and really no new information. I did a search out on the internet and so far there has been no injunction issued that I can find. Usually businesses will continue as usual until they are ordered by the courts to stop. Ford is a large enough company that they could keep this persons lawsuit tied up in court for many years.
I am figuring that it is more of a supply issue than a lawsuit issue at this time. I was thinking that the media would have gotten hold of this by now also. MYCOLOR is one of the selling features on the new mustang. If it is being held up because of the lawsuit; then it would be in the news and we would not be speculating on this.
Just my 2 cents
I am figuring that it is more of a supply issue than a lawsuit issue at this time. I was thinking that the media would have gotten hold of this by now also. MYCOLOR is one of the selling features on the new mustang. If it is being held up because of the lawsuit; then it would be in the news and we would not be speculating on this.
Just my 2 cents
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Originally posted by Bluice@December 22, 2004, 1:22 PM
This thread is becoming very long and really no new information. I did a search out on the internet and so far there has been no injunction issued that I can find. Usually businesses will continue as usual until they are ordered by the courts to stop. Ford is a large enough company that they could keep this persons lawsuit tied up in court for many years.
I am figuring that it is more of a supply issue than a lawsuit issue at this time. I was thinking that the media would have gotten hold of this by now also. MYCOLOR is one of the selling features on the new mustang. If it is being held up because of the lawsuit; then it would be in the news and we would not be speculating on this.
Just my 2 cents
This thread is becoming very long and really no new information. I did a search out on the internet and so far there has been no injunction issued that I can find. Usually businesses will continue as usual until they are ordered by the courts to stop. Ford is a large enough company that they could keep this persons lawsuit tied up in court for many years.
I am figuring that it is more of a supply issue than a lawsuit issue at this time. I was thinking that the media would have gotten hold of this by now also. MYCOLOR is one of the selling features on the new mustang. If it is being held up because of the lawsuit; then it would be in the news and we would not be speculating on this.
Just my 2 cents
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Ford's New Mustang Sued for Patent Infringement
Ford's New Mustang Sued for Infringing Patent on User Configurable Multi-Color Instrument Panel.
Beverly Hills, CA (PRWEB) December 8, 2004 -- Frank Weyer, a patent attorney and inventor of U.S. Patent No. 5,975,728 issued on Nov. 2, 1999 announced today that he has sued Ford Motor Company for patent infringement. According to the complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California as Civil Action No. 04-08630 CBM (SHx), the "MyColor" TM option that is part of the interior upgrade package on the highly touted 2005 Ford Mustang infringes Mr. Weyer's patent for "Method and Apparatus for Providing User Selectable Multi-Color Instrument Panel Illumination." Mr. Weyer conceived of his invention while a graduate student at M.I.T. After the U.S. Patent Office granted the patent in 1999, Mr. Weyer sent a letter to Ford and other automobile manufacturers offering to license his invention. Ford did not respond.
Now, five years later, the new Ford Mustang features a user color-changeable instrument panel lighting system Ford calls "MyColor" that Mr. Weyer claims infringes his patent. Mr. Weyer is seeking damages and an injunction that would prevent Ford from selling or delivering any new Mustangs with the "MyColor" option. Mr. Weyer, filed the complaint on October 19, 2004. Prior to formally serving the complaint, Mr. Weyer contacted Ford, and offered to reach a cooperative resolution. Ford initially requested additional time to respond, which Mr. Weyer granted. After two months without a substantive response from Ford, according to court rules, Mr. Weyer was required to formally serve Ford with the complaint.
Mr. Weyer has informed Ford's in-house counsel that he is preparing a preliminary injunction motion that he intends to file in the near future. The preliminary injunction, if granted, would immediately bar Ford from offering for sale, selling, manufacturing or delivering any 2005 Mustangs with the infringing MyColor feature. That could prove to be a disappointment for Ford, which has launched a massive media push behing the 2005 Mustang, hoping that sales of the Mustang will drive its passenger car sales as a whole.
Ford's New Mustang Sued for Infringing Patent on User Configurable Multi-Color Instrument Panel.
Beverly Hills, CA (PRWEB) December 8, 2004 -- Frank Weyer, a patent attorney and inventor of U.S. Patent No. 5,975,728 issued on Nov. 2, 1999 announced today that he has sued Ford Motor Company for patent infringement. According to the complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California as Civil Action No. 04-08630 CBM (SHx), the "MyColor" TM option that is part of the interior upgrade package on the highly touted 2005 Ford Mustang infringes Mr. Weyer's patent for "Method and Apparatus for Providing User Selectable Multi-Color Instrument Panel Illumination." Mr. Weyer conceived of his invention while a graduate student at M.I.T. After the U.S. Patent Office granted the patent in 1999, Mr. Weyer sent a letter to Ford and other automobile manufacturers offering to license his invention. Ford did not respond.
Now, five years later, the new Ford Mustang features a user color-changeable instrument panel lighting system Ford calls "MyColor" that Mr. Weyer claims infringes his patent. Mr. Weyer is seeking damages and an injunction that would prevent Ford from selling or delivering any new Mustangs with the "MyColor" option. Mr. Weyer, filed the complaint on October 19, 2004. Prior to formally serving the complaint, Mr. Weyer contacted Ford, and offered to reach a cooperative resolution. Ford initially requested additional time to respond, which Mr. Weyer granted. After two months without a substantive response from Ford, according to court rules, Mr. Weyer was required to formally serve Ford with the complaint.
Mr. Weyer has informed Ford's in-house counsel that he is preparing a preliminary injunction motion that he intends to file in the near future. The preliminary injunction, if granted, would immediately bar Ford from offering for sale, selling, manufacturing or delivering any 2005 Mustangs with the infringing MyColor feature. That could prove to be a disappointment for Ford, which has launched a massive media push behing the 2005 Mustang, hoping that sales of the Mustang will drive its passenger car sales as a whole.