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Originally posted by Grimlock+February 11, 2005, 7:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grimlock @ February 11, 2005, 7:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-PeterPienaar@February 10, 2005, 9:45 PM
AWD and turboed four-bangers?....SVT means MUSCLE![Thumb](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif)
AWD and turboed four-bangers?....SVT means MUSCLE
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So what's wrong with an AWD fully independent setup with a Turbocharged V8?
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Originally posted by max2000jp+February 10, 2005, 10:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(max2000jp @ February 10, 2005, 10:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
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It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
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The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
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So what's wrong with an AWD fully independent setup with a Turbocharged V8?
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Nothing wrong with it, just would not be an SVO.
So what's wrong with an AWD fully independent setup with a Turbocharged V8?
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Nothing wrong with it, just would not be an SVO.
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The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
C'mon, no one uses solid rear axles in cars anymore. Why do you suppose that is? Cause it's troglodyte technology. It's like going hunting with stone knives and bear skins instead of a rifle and a Goretex jacket. Sure, you can do it, but why would you?
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Originally posted by Grimlock@February 11, 2005, 9:13 AM
Nothing wrong with it, just would not be an SVO.
Nothing wrong with it, just would not be an SVO.
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Originally posted by snkbtn99+February 11, 2005, 8:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(snkbtn99 @ February 11, 2005, 8:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-crazyhorse@February 10, 2005, 10:09 PM
How many of us are going to road race them anyway? Track events and drag races are about the extent of competition we get into. Most of the driving will be cruising. The drag racers like live axle to get the power to the ground.
How many of us are going to road race them anyway? Track events and drag races are about the extent of competition we get into. Most of the driving will be cruising. The drag racers like live axle to get the power to the ground.
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I'm sure there are a lot of ORC racers in Cobras. If you go read SVTperf. several of them have or want to change to live axle for drag racing. My point is, most of us will do neither (at least not very often). The majority of Cobra owners drive them on the street and never see the potential of the cars.
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They look like blacked-out FR500 wheels to me. It looks pretty good with 18's and a body drop.
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The Fusion and 500 are both avail with AWD so these are probably in the pipeline. As for the S-197 Snake as long as SVT truly remembers "Performance,exclusivity,value and substance" I have started moving the money I set aside into more liquid areas.
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Originally posted by PONY XPRESS+February 11, 2005, 8:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PONY XPRESS @ February 11, 2005, 8:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
Originally posted by max2000jp@February 10, 2005, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by PONY XPRESS@February 10, 2005, 10:55 PM
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It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
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Yes, I know they have rear engines; my point was that the most technologically advanced cars use IRS. There are a bunch of front engine race cars that use an IRS suspension. A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do
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Originally posted by max2000jp+February 11, 2005, 12:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(max2000jp @ February 11, 2005, 12:27 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
Originally posted by PONY XPRESS@February 11, 2005, 8:53 AM
Originally posted by max2000jp@February 10, 2005, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by PONY XPRESS@February 10, 2005, 10:55 PM
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It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
Yes, I know they have rear engines; my point was that the most technologically advanced cars use IRS. There are a bunch of front engine race cars that use an IRS suspension. A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do
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Your argument is ridiculous & bogus. How can you even compare F1 technology with what we are talking about here.
Ford is building a 450HP car with a solid axle (maybe IRS) for 40K. Its a bargain.
NASCAR, sprint cars, drag cars, road race cars, all use live axle in one form or another. I may not know as much as Ferrari about suspension, but I can tell by your comments I know a lot more about it then you do.
You say you have an 05' in your avatar. What don't you like about the way the car handles?
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Originally posted by max2000jp@February 11, 2005, 6:27 PM
[ A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do![Icon Rolleyes](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
[ A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do
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IRS has it's advantages, but like I said earlier in the post to many people it wont matter how well the car handles or what it out-handles if it comes with a live-axle, they will simply complain that it does not have IRS. If the car delivers the goods I could care less how it gets there.
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Originally posted by holderca1+February 11, 2005, 7:41 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ February 11, 2005, 7:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
Originally posted by TomServo92@February 10, 2005, 8:44 PM
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How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
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That's what I was getting at. People were stating it was a step backward yet the new suspension with its "ball-has-been dropped" SRA outperforms the best the old suspension has to offer (the Cobra with IRS). The question was rhetorical and slightly sarcastic if you have to know. B)
As far as I'm concerned Ford didn't drop the ball at all given how well new suspension works. When the IRS eventually arrives (and I believe it will), performance will only get better.
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Originally posted by TomServo92+February 11, 2005, 1:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TomServo92 @ February 11, 2005, 1:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
The GT already does that.
Originally posted by holderca1@February 11, 2005, 7:41 AM
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How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
The GT already does that.
As far as I'm concerned Ford didn't drop the ball at all given how well new suspension works. When the IRS eventually arrives (and I believe it will), performance will only get better.
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Sometimes that doesn't translate to well online.
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Originally posted by PONY XPRESS+February 11, 2005, 1:46 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PONY XPRESS @ February 11, 2005, 1:46 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
Yes, I know they have rear engines; my point was that the most technologically advanced cars use IRS. There are a bunch of front engine race cars that use an IRS suspension. A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do![Icon Rolleyes](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally posted by max2000jp@February 11, 2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by PONY XPRESS@February 11, 2005, 8:53 AM
Originally posted by max2000jp@February 10, 2005, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by PONY XPRESS@February 10, 2005, 10:55 PM
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It still amazes me how many people are ignorant about IRS Vs live axle. This has been beaten to death.
Front engine rear drive cars work quite well without IRS. SCCA Trans-Am cars are all solid axle. NASCAR works pretty good on road courses. I have many years racing experience at Lime Rock Park in CT which is one of the roughest tracks in North America. A good solid axle setup works great here.
I hope SVT offers a 9" rear so we can put some real power in the new Cobra. 600HP+
And an IRS setup works even better. Any serious race cars from LMP's, Formula Fords, Champ cars, and F1 cars use IRS setups. Nascar's are near the bottom of the ladder in terms of professional race cars.
The type of race cars that you mention have rear mounted engines, they must use an IRS system.
So a NASCAR & SCCA Trans-AM cars are not serious race cars? I raced an ex Mustang Trans-Am car in SCCA GT-1. 2450lb with 650HP. You have no idea what your talking about.
Yes, I know they have rear engines; my point was that the most technologically advanced cars use IRS. There are a bunch of front engine race cars that use an IRS suspension. A NASCAR or SCCA Trans-Am car is no way near as serious of a race car as say Williams BMW's F1 car. Arguing that a live axle "works great" disagrees with the engineers at Ferrari, BMW M, team corvette, etc. I am sure you know more about suspension design/technology then they do
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Your argument is ridiculous & bogus. How can you even compare F1 technology with what we are talking about here.
Ford is building a 450HP car with a solid axle (maybe IRS) for 40K. Its a bargain.
NASCAR, sprint cars, drag cars, road race cars, all use live axle in one form or another. I may not know as much as Ferrari about suspension, but I can tell by your comments I know a lot more about it then you do.
You say you have an 05' in your avatar. What don't you like about the way the car handles?
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Again, I wasn't comparing an F1 car to a factory car, rather other race cars. A live axle race car isn't the most technologically advanced vehicle. You are arguing about live axles, which are an inferior technology. Yes you can make a live axle to handle well, but an IRS setup is better. Heck the 125CC CRG kart I race doesn't even have a suspension, but will pull roughly 2.5 g's in a corner. Again, you are going against the wisdom of experienced engineers.
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Originally posted by Stadifer@February 11, 2005, 12:21 PM
Thats a big scoop... Note sure I like it much. I guess Ford wants to keep the difference low-key outside of the scoop.
Thats a big scoop... Note sure I like it much. I guess Ford wants to keep the difference low-key outside of the scoop.
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Let's stop all this quoting madness. The gasoline powered engine is an inferior technology, but I don't see anyone asking for a hybrid or fuel cell. Lets just let this IRS vs. SRA rest. No one is changing anyone's mind.
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Originally posted by holderca1+February 11, 2005, 1:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ February 11, 2005, 1:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
The GT already does that.
That's what I was getting at. People were stating it was a step backward yet the new suspension with its "ball-has-been dropped" SRA outperforms the best the old suspension has to offer (the Cobra with IRS). The question was rhetorical and slightly sarcastic if you have to know. B)
As far as I'm concerned Ford didn't drop the ball at all given how well new suspension works. When the IRS eventually arrives (and I believe it will), performance will only get better.
Originally posted by TomServo92@February 11, 2005, 1:20 PM
Originally posted by holderca1@February 11, 2005, 7:41 AM
Originally posted by TomServo92@February 10, 2005, 8:44 PM
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How much you want to bet that the new Cobra will run the slalom faster and with a higher MPH than the outgoing Cobra?
The GT already does that.
That's what I was getting at. People were stating it was a step backward yet the new suspension with its "ball-has-been dropped" SRA outperforms the best the old suspension has to offer (the Cobra with IRS). The question was rhetorical and slightly sarcastic if you have to know. B)
As far as I'm concerned Ford didn't drop the ball at all given how well new suspension works. When the IRS eventually arrives (and I believe it will), performance will only get better.
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True. I gues I should have used one of these:
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