Some questions I have about the 2015 Mustang Eco boost
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That's why I said not necessarily.
Regardless, claiming that higher octane 'saves your engine' is marketing bull**** by the oil companies so as to trick fools into buying their higher margin product. Many car owners buy premium on that lie when their engines aren't even tuned for 'premium' octane fuel.
And at what point does the alleged increased detergents in your Shell/Mobil/whatever brand 93 become useless?? Detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine.
Maybe some of our resident experts will chime in. Or you two can use the search function. This is an old worn out story.
Regardless, claiming that higher octane 'saves your engine' is marketing bull**** by the oil companies so as to trick fools into buying their higher margin product. Many car owners buy premium on that lie when their engines aren't even tuned for 'premium' octane fuel.
And at what point does the alleged increased detergents in your Shell/Mobil/whatever brand 93 become useless?? Detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine.
Maybe some of our resident experts will chime in. Or you two can use the search function. This is an old worn out story.
You are free to believe whatever you want to of course. It is, however, a proven scientific fact that using detergents in your fuel reduces carbon build up and thus helps you keep a better running engine for a longer time. It is not "marketing bull". It is a commonly known and accepted fact that has long been established to be true.
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I appreciate that. He started there after winning the bronze star and purple heart in ww1. He was on Normandy beach on D day.
I also use shell mostly. Sometimes I'll use Hess Armanda or Sunoco. Rarely I'll use Citgo, but not anymore after that reading the report you posted. Lol.
I also use shell mostly. Sometimes I'll use Hess Armanda or Sunoco. Rarely I'll use Citgo, but not anymore after that reading the report you posted. Lol.
Wow, tell him I said thanks from one war vet to another.
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That's why I said not necessarily. Regardless, claiming that higher octane 'saves your engine' is marketing bull**** by the oil companies so as to trick fools into buying their higher margin product. Many car owners buy premium on that lie when their engines aren't even tuned for 'premium' octane fuel. And at what point does the alleged increased detergents in your Shell/Mobil/whatever brand 93 become useless?? Detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine. Maybe some of our resident experts will chime in. Or you two can use the search function. This is an old worn out story.
93 octane means that the mixture is 93% octane thus making it 7% septane. 8 molecules vs 7 or even less in cheaper fuels (heptane and so on). Between octane and septane is the line where fuel is significantly less susceptible to detonation on its own. That is why we use it. So as the air fuel mixture is compressed, it won't detonate until the spark.
87 grade being 13% septane can't handle higher compression and/or more advanced ignition.
ALL pcm's will adjust a/f and timing to a degree. But also bad fuel is common in winters. Your motor is better off running the highest octane available. Will it make a huge difference? Probably about the same amount that an oil separator will. But I want to do everything I can to keep my baby healthy.
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To add. 93 is far from a higher margin product than 87. It contains 6% more of an expensive product and also more of and in some cases a better quality additive. Typically at the expense of 10 to 20 cents more per gallon.
It's like saying. That a crab cake with 80% crab and 20% filler at $13 has higher margin that a crab cake with 40% crab and 60% filler for $11.50. It's just not true. Do you not pay more for a solid gold ring vs a gold plated?
It's like saying. That a crab cake with 80% crab and 20% filler at $13 has higher margin that a crab cake with 40% crab and 60% filler for $11.50. It's just not true. Do you not pay more for a solid gold ring vs a gold plated?
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3point, is it just me or did cdyna say that all detergents were the same in each fuel grade per brand, "octane has zip to do with detergents," then said to our point that that was incorrect that higher detergents in higher octane was his point all along but unnecessary, then referenced this "alleged" increase in detergents? I'm lost. Am I reading wrong or is he talking in circles?
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Back to the OP's questions. I don't know about 1, 2, or 3, but according to FORD engineers, both the ego-boost and the wiley coyote lose about 15 to 20 horsepower with NO measurable loss in torque. I know it's true because I read it on Al Gore's internet.
Truthfully, ALL modern engines will run just fine on 87 octane discount station crap. If you feel the urge to street race, well, that's another story. But seriously, the wee ego-boost will still put out close to 280 HP running the cheapest crap you can get your hands on, I'm pretty sure that'll get to and from wallyworld and hugemart.
Truthfully, ALL modern engines will run just fine on 87 octane discount station crap. If you feel the urge to street race, well, that's another story. But seriously, the wee ego-boost will still put out close to 280 HP running the cheapest crap you can get your hands on, I'm pretty sure that'll get to and from wallyworld and hugemart.
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3point, is it just me or did cdyna say that all detergents were the same in each fuel grade per brand, then said to our point that that was incorrect that higher detergents was his point but unnecessary, then said this "alleged" increase in detergents? I'm lost. Am I reading wrong or is he talking in circles?
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You are free to believe whatever you want to of course. It is, however, a proven scientific fact that using detergents in your fuel reduces carbon build up and thus helps you keep a better running engine for a longer time. It is not "marketing bull". It is a commonly known and accepted fact that has long been established to be true.
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I too noticed that he changed is reasoning after the facts were posted and as you pointed out he also decided that the best way to make his case is by calling us "fools" for buying 93 octane. It is common troll behavior. I'm not going to argue with him because I suspect that is exactly what he wants and no matter how much reality and fact he is given he will insist that it's all "marketing bull" or something of that nature. In his heart he knows the truth.
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Right now I own a 2012 Mustang GT coupe. I plan to trade it in for the 2015 Ecoboost premium convertible with PP and Navi. I have some questions about the new 2015's. Thanks in advance for any help. 1, Do the 2 gauges that come with the PP in the center dash work in real time? Like is the boost gauge in the center just an idiot gauge? 2, If I get the GPS Navigation package does this delete the 2 gauges in the center dash that comes with the performance package? 3, I had a lot of lower control arm issues with my 2012. It was brought to the dealer 5 times for squeaks, groans in the front lower control arm bushing, has this problem been fixed? 4, Can the new 2.3 eco boost engines take Regular gas or is Premium required?
2) the screen comes on the premium. The nav is just a software add on I believe.
3) should be fixed. It's all different under there.
4) as you've probably read. The extra $3 a tank is worth premium fuel imo regardless of power loss.
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First Stang I can remember in 25 years that has a real honest to goodness Oil Pressure gauge - it has real numbers on it and fluctuates real time (instead of just reading a constant setting in the NORMAL range).
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You are free to believe whatever you want to of course. It is, however, a proven scientific fact that using detergents in your fuel reduces carbon build up and thus helps you keep a better running engine for a longer time. It is not "marketing bull". It is a commonly known and accepted fact that has long been established to be true.
I never said detergents aren't helpful did I brainiac? But your claim that "premium's" higher detergent - compared to 87's detergent - does not necessarily mean your combustion chamber is any cleaner than any other detergent. I reiterate - detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine.
Don't give me that bull oh wise one. That's how you got banned before remember?
I will certainly believe a nuclear physicist (that is a well noted public scientific expert that regularly exposes the industry over its lies), over someone like Uncle Buck who is in the industry that has a vested interest.
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For the record, I only run brand X 87 from high volume stations. My '83 F150 has 254k on it - what do your engines have?
As for Shell - I have occasionally filled up with their 87. My engine pings like crap. I don't understand why when it runs brand X 87 with no ping. Every 3-6 months I spend $6-8 bucks on a bottle of Regane or Techron. 30+ years and still runs great.
When I want to have some fun I run higher octane in Bullitt. Otherwise I put a few extra bucks in my pocket rather than the greedy oil industry. They have bled Americans enough that I'm not going to throw extra coin in their coffers.
Premium fuel most certainly is a higher margin product.
**** your money away as you see fit, I don't care. But don't come on here making outrageous claims.
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You guys can't read for **** can you? I never said detergents aren't helpful did I brainiac? But your claim that "premium's" higher detergent - compared to 87's detergent - does not necessarily mean your combustion chamber is any cleaner than any other detergent. I reiterate - detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine. Don't give me that bull oh wise one. That's how you got banned before remember? I will certainly believe a nuclear physicist (that is a well noted public scientific expert that regularly exposes the industry over its lies), over someone like Uncle Buck who is in the industry that has a vested interest. >> For the record, I only run brand X 87 from high volume stations. My '83 F150 has 254k on it - what do your engines have? As for Shell - I have occasionally filled up with their 87. My engine pings like crap. I don't understand why when it runs brand X 87 with no ping. Every 3-6 months I spend $6-8 bucks on a bottle of Regane or Techron. 30+ years and still runs great. When I want to have some fun I run higher octane in Bullitt. Otherwise I put a few extra bucks in my pocket rather than the greedy oil industry. They have bled Americans enough that I'm not going to throw extra coin in their coffers. Premium fuel most certainly is a higher margin product. **** your money away as you see fit, I don't care. But don't come on here making outrageous claims.
Premium fuel most certainly is a higher margin product. **** your money away as you see fit, I don't care. But don't come on here making outrageous claims. As far as me spreading outrageous information, again you can believe what you want. You may have a lot of posts and tenure here and thing that entitles you to clout. The REALITY is that the vast majority of us have learned to ignore you and laugh at your judgmental and offensive posts. I know several that actually have blocked your posts. Your way doesn't makes it right. And for the record. You did say that more detergents didn't help.
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You guys can't read for **** can you?
I never said detergents aren't helpful did I brainiac? But your claim that "premium's" higher detergent - compared to 87's detergent - does not necessarily mean your combustion chamber is any cleaner than any other detergent. I reiterate - detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine.
Don't give me that bull oh wise one. That's how you got banned before remember?
I will certainly believe a nuclear physicist (that is a well noted public scientific expert that regularly exposes the industry over its lies), over someone like Uncle Buck who is in the industry that has a vested interest.
>>
For the record, I only run brand X 87 from high volume stations. My '83 F150 has 254k on it - what do your engines have?
As for Shell - I have occasionally filled up with their 87. My engine pings like crap. I don't understand why when it runs brand X 87 with no ping. Every 3-6 months I spend $6-8 bucks on a bottle of Regane or Techron. 30+ years and still runs great.
When I want to have some fun I run higher octane in Bullitt. Otherwise I put a few extra bucks in my pocket rather than the greedy oil industry. They have bled Americans enough that I'm not going to throw extra coin in their coffers.
Premium fuel most certainly is a higher margin product.
**** your money away as you see fit, I don't care. But don't come on here making outrageous claims.
I never said detergents aren't helpful did I brainiac? But your claim that "premium's" higher detergent - compared to 87's detergent - does not necessarily mean your combustion chamber is any cleaner than any other detergent. I reiterate - detergents can only do so much in an internal combustion engine.
Don't give me that bull oh wise one. That's how you got banned before remember?
I will certainly believe a nuclear physicist (that is a well noted public scientific expert that regularly exposes the industry over its lies), over someone like Uncle Buck who is in the industry that has a vested interest.
>>
For the record, I only run brand X 87 from high volume stations. My '83 F150 has 254k on it - what do your engines have?
As for Shell - I have occasionally filled up with their 87. My engine pings like crap. I don't understand why when it runs brand X 87 with no ping. Every 3-6 months I spend $6-8 bucks on a bottle of Regane or Techron. 30+ years and still runs great.
When I want to have some fun I run higher octane in Bullitt. Otherwise I put a few extra bucks in my pocket rather than the greedy oil industry. They have bled Americans enough that I'm not going to throw extra coin in their coffers.
Premium fuel most certainly is a higher margin product.
**** your money away as you see fit, I don't care. But don't come on here making outrageous claims.
Okay thanks for that bit of friendly advice
Don't forget to attend this years biggest internet trolls convention.
I'm still going to use Shell 93 octane no matter how offensive you get on this forum. That's because I choose proven science over angry internet poster.
Have a great day bro. lol
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Okay thanks for that bit of friendly advice
Don't forget to attend this years biggest internet trolls convention.
I'm still going to use Shell 93 octane no matter how offensive you get on this forum. That's because I choose proven science over angry internet poster.
Have a great day bro. lol
Don't forget to attend this years biggest internet trolls convention.
I'm still going to use Shell 93 octane no matter how offensive you get on this forum. That's because I choose proven science over angry internet poster.
Have a great day bro. lol
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