Ford Racing Adjustable Handling Pack M-FR3-MGTAA
#61
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Hey Silver, meant to say that's not only a great shot but looks like a total blast. Looking forward to contacting the right guys and doing this myself.
And I'm not sure if I mentioned how pleased I am with this suspension and how the car drives and feels. Phenominal. I've not even experimented yet w/any adjustments. Had the strut to sway link set in the middle of the 3 holes on the sway. Dampners are all set halfway, 3 turns from full hard.
And I'm not sure if I mentioned how pleased I am with this suspension and how the car drives and feels. Phenominal. I've not even experimented yet w/any adjustments. Had the strut to sway link set in the middle of the 3 holes on the sway. Dampners are all set halfway, 3 turns from full hard.
#62
Originally Posted by dafreeze
After adjusting toe here're my values, L/R;
camber -0.98/-1.36 (range -1.50 to 0)
caster 7.33/6.84 (range, L/R 7.85 to 6.35 / 6.35 to 7.85)
toe 0.04/0.05
Tech told me that although these are in range (note, for OE spces the camber is in kind of a warning area between what looks like ~ -1.2 to -1.5). Said they like to see;
-the R (psgr side) 0.1 more neg than L.
-the R caster value a little more + than the left...don't remember what he said how much...you see mine's reversed
He seemed to know what he was doing and was confident in his measurements.
Now I'm thinking I should consider investing/installing quality plates that'll allow adjustment of both.
Max Motorsports seem to be the best, but I've done little research and only looked at American Muxcle and Latemodel Restoration.
The Steeda's on the AM site look sturdier, but only allow camber adjustment.
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustan...ates-1112.html
The more senior alignment tech was off for family reasons. The day before he had told me that you can get a little movement by loosening fastners and holding the assembly in the direction you want it moved before torqueing, and I"m wondering if perhaps when I installed, snugged then torqued, I perhaps had one sides hub held up a little further than when I did the other. Don't know. But this doesn't seem like a viable option for a couple reasons.
They provide a 30 day warranty and even knowing I may install bolts/plates to allow for some adjustment, will realign for free within that time frame.
I've printed off the install instructions for the Max Moto's (pdf on AM's site).
My concern after briefly looking it over is step 18, which has me pry apart the upper strut mount. Would like to ensure I can do this to the GT500 mounts that came with this pkg w/o trashing something. Anyone done this to these?
#64
Looks great Dave! Thanks for the pics and all the great info - keep sharing. Havent taken mine to the alignment shop yet but going soon - wanted to make sure it settled first. I'm about 3/8" off on the rear axle and thinking about an adj panhard too just cause I'm picky about that kinda stuff, but it didnt rub or give me any issues at the track so I think its just asthetics.
#65
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Thanks, Gents. Going to order H&R camber bolts this morning and I've already orderd the BMR Adj Pahnard w/poly bushings and zircs. The caster issue I'll attempt to correct w/alignment guy when suspensions loose for re-alignment.
#66
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Welllllll.....chit!
After talking w/my alignment guy and an S197 aquaintance who roadraces and does his own alignments...I just ordered the Max Motorsports Caster/Camber adjustment plates.
Les Schwab, the only alignment guys anywhere near me, is a distributer for H&R. He was able to finally get a torque value for the triple C camber bolts from his rep. 85ft-lbs...H&R told me over the phone they could be torqued to OE specs but couldn't give me a value (it's 165 ft-lbs for the strut to spindle bolts), but assured me to OE specs (when talking with him, that didn't make me comfortable).
Both told me it's kind of a crap shoot whether we can loosen and resnug everything and get the caster to align properly...so...I gotta tear it down again. At least w/our discount code I saved twenny bucks w/American Muscle.
After talking w/my alignment guy and an S197 aquaintance who roadraces and does his own alignments...I just ordered the Max Motorsports Caster/Camber adjustment plates.
Les Schwab, the only alignment guys anywhere near me, is a distributer for H&R. He was able to finally get a torque value for the triple C camber bolts from his rep. 85ft-lbs...H&R told me over the phone they could be torqued to OE specs but couldn't give me a value (it's 165 ft-lbs for the strut to spindle bolts), but assured me to OE specs (when talking with him, that didn't make me comfortable).
Both told me it's kind of a crap shoot whether we can loosen and resnug everything and get the caster to align properly...so...I gotta tear it down again. At least w/our discount code I saved twenny bucks w/American Muscle.
#68
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Nice price, I never checked with them. That include both sways, strut tower brace and all the hardware?
Adj plates and panhard, pads and compounds for my Porter Cable and touch up kit will all arrive Monday as I start 4 days off...looks like I'll have something to do.
Adj plates and panhard, pads and compounds for my Porter Cable and touch up kit will all arrive Monday as I start 4 days off...looks like I'll have something to do.
Last edited by dafreeze; 6/30/12 at 08:10 AM.
#70
Welllllll.....chit!
After talking w/my alignment guy and an S197 aquaintance who roadraces and does his own alignments...I just ordered the Max Motorsports Caster/Camber adjustment plates.
Les Schwab, the only alignment guys anywhere near me, is a distributer for H&R. He was able to finally get a torque value for the triple C camber bolts from his rep. 85ft-lbs...H&R told me over the phone they could be torqued to OE specs but couldn't give me a value (it's 165 ft-lbs for the strut to spindle bolts), but assured me to OE specs (when talking with him, that didn't make me comfortable).
Both told me it's kind of a crap shoot whether we can loosen and resnug everything and get the caster to align properly...so...I gotta tear it down again. At least w/our discount code I saved twenny bucks w/American Muscle.
After talking w/my alignment guy and an S197 aquaintance who roadraces and does his own alignments...I just ordered the Max Motorsports Caster/Camber adjustment plates.
Les Schwab, the only alignment guys anywhere near me, is a distributer for H&R. He was able to finally get a torque value for the triple C camber bolts from his rep. 85ft-lbs...H&R told me over the phone they could be torqued to OE specs but couldn't give me a value (it's 165 ft-lbs for the strut to spindle bolts), but assured me to OE specs (when talking with him, that didn't make me comfortable).
Both told me it's kind of a crap shoot whether we can loosen and resnug everything and get the caster to align properly...so...I gotta tear it down again. At least w/our discount code I saved twenny bucks w/American Muscle.
#71
Having my M FR3 MGTAA Kit installed Tuesday at a Ford dealer. I see Dafreeze, you set your front sway bar in the middle adjust hole. Is that the best place to start or even just keep it there. Thanks to all for the great posts.
Brian
Brian
Last edited by Colgate Stang; 7/15/12 at 08:02 AM.
#73
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Vector, that's a heck of a deal. Gonna start checking Tousley from now on.
Congrats, Colgate, I think you'll love it. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner...reading over the install sheet, the middle was optimum. Further up is stated as being for dry conditions only. All the way back, for wet concitions primarily. And thanks, my pleasure. How'd the install go? Go w/the middle? Lovin' it? How'd your alignment turn out? I had issues I'll detail in a moment.
Thanks, Rog. Awesome roads in every direction.
Installed the plates last week mostly w/o issue. However, just prior to prying apart the GT500 strut mounts that I'd installed w/the FR3 pack (you use the bottom portion w/bearing pack in conjunction with the plates) I called Max Moto to verify that was OK. (The inst sheet describes using the OE upper strut mounts, which I already knew as I'd printed off the install insts before ordering, but someone on a forum told me he'd seen the GT500's used). Max told me no, get the OE's off the the old units.
Had to take my assemblies to my local alignment shop and get them to help as I've no spring compressor (they did it for nothing), and as I was putting the disassembled components into the cab of my truck, one of the OE mounts fell apart and spilled some of tha ball bearings onto my floorboard. I spent 20 minutes trying to find the last one (cab, parking lot, shop floor) before giving up thinking I was temporarily skru'd.
Went home and carefully pulled the second one apart and was thrilled to realize it too appeared to be missing a ball bearing...appparently, at least in mine, the race isn't full.
BTW, the GT500's are $95/pair @ AM and I'll sell these if anyone's interested.
Another note regarding the Max Moto CC plates. I had no issues installing and torquing to spec. I've quality torque wrenches and had printed off and looked over the install instructions before ordering them. One of the first things I noticed was that the 4 13mm nuts were only to be torqued to 20#, where as the OE's were spec'd @ 26#.
I was with the tech when he re-aligned after cc plate install and he was fully aware of the new specs. However, he couldn't get the nut on the drivers side that's right next to the caster adj nut/bolt (both sitting on top of the ~1/8" bean shaped align plate) to torque. His wrench (looked to me like a 20-150) was bigger than my smallest (I have a 10-100 3/8" and 30-250 1/2", both CDI Snap On), so I told him to stop and I'd put mine on it. He'd already verified the stud wasn't turning w/a box end wrench.
Sure enough, the little bathturds stripped. In fact after checking the torque on the opposite side nuts, all of which I got a fraction of a turn before the wrench broke @ 20#, the nut in the same position is beginning to do the same thing. It'll only torque to 19#...@ 20, it begins to strip. Didn't know if it's just the nut, or stud, or both. I can't even get it to back off. Even got a good grip on it with a pair of vicegrips and pulled up like a sumbich while rotating.
So...phukme...I called Max again. They said they thought I could reach up around the coil spring and inside of the strut tower and simply remove the offending 2 stud plate.
They sent me all 4, w/nuts.
Replaced the other day and they were correct I didn't have to tear everything back down. Except I had to also loosen the inboard set and push each strut/coil pack inboard in order to be able to drop the dorked up outboard ones out. Had to cut off the nut and both it and the stud were totally stripped.
Pretty disappointing...wrote Max a note w/the old parts I sent back so they could evaluate. Told me these are the plates Shelby installs on the GT350's and they've never heard of any issues. For this much $ it's sure be nice if they used the same grade studs/nuts as OE.
3rd alignment scheduled for this Friday.
BTW, the silver CF5's I ordered 6/15 should be ready anytime and UPS is dropping off Conti DW's tomorrow in 255/54-18 and 285/40-18.
Congrats, Colgate, I think you'll love it. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner...reading over the install sheet, the middle was optimum. Further up is stated as being for dry conditions only. All the way back, for wet concitions primarily. And thanks, my pleasure. How'd the install go? Go w/the middle? Lovin' it? How'd your alignment turn out? I had issues I'll detail in a moment.
Thanks, Rog. Awesome roads in every direction.
Installed the plates last week mostly w/o issue. However, just prior to prying apart the GT500 strut mounts that I'd installed w/the FR3 pack (you use the bottom portion w/bearing pack in conjunction with the plates) I called Max Moto to verify that was OK. (The inst sheet describes using the OE upper strut mounts, which I already knew as I'd printed off the install insts before ordering, but someone on a forum told me he'd seen the GT500's used). Max told me no, get the OE's off the the old units.
Had to take my assemblies to my local alignment shop and get them to help as I've no spring compressor (they did it for nothing), and as I was putting the disassembled components into the cab of my truck, one of the OE mounts fell apart and spilled some of tha ball bearings onto my floorboard. I spent 20 minutes trying to find the last one (cab, parking lot, shop floor) before giving up thinking I was temporarily skru'd.
Went home and carefully pulled the second one apart and was thrilled to realize it too appeared to be missing a ball bearing...appparently, at least in mine, the race isn't full.
BTW, the GT500's are $95/pair @ AM and I'll sell these if anyone's interested.
Another note regarding the Max Moto CC plates. I had no issues installing and torquing to spec. I've quality torque wrenches and had printed off and looked over the install instructions before ordering them. One of the first things I noticed was that the 4 13mm nuts were only to be torqued to 20#, where as the OE's were spec'd @ 26#.
I was with the tech when he re-aligned after cc plate install and he was fully aware of the new specs. However, he couldn't get the nut on the drivers side that's right next to the caster adj nut/bolt (both sitting on top of the ~1/8" bean shaped align plate) to torque. His wrench (looked to me like a 20-150) was bigger than my smallest (I have a 10-100 3/8" and 30-250 1/2", both CDI Snap On), so I told him to stop and I'd put mine on it. He'd already verified the stud wasn't turning w/a box end wrench.
Sure enough, the little bathturds stripped. In fact after checking the torque on the opposite side nuts, all of which I got a fraction of a turn before the wrench broke @ 20#, the nut in the same position is beginning to do the same thing. It'll only torque to 19#...@ 20, it begins to strip. Didn't know if it's just the nut, or stud, or both. I can't even get it to back off. Even got a good grip on it with a pair of vicegrips and pulled up like a sumbich while rotating.
So...phukme...I called Max again. They said they thought I could reach up around the coil spring and inside of the strut tower and simply remove the offending 2 stud plate.
They sent me all 4, w/nuts.
Replaced the other day and they were correct I didn't have to tear everything back down. Except I had to also loosen the inboard set and push each strut/coil pack inboard in order to be able to drop the dorked up outboard ones out. Had to cut off the nut and both it and the stud were totally stripped.
Pretty disappointing...wrote Max a note w/the old parts I sent back so they could evaluate. Told me these are the plates Shelby installs on the GT350's and they've never heard of any issues. For this much $ it's sure be nice if they used the same grade studs/nuts as OE.
3rd alignment scheduled for this Friday.
BTW, the silver CF5's I ordered 6/15 should be ready anytime and UPS is dropping off Conti DW's tomorrow in 255/54-18 and 285/40-18.
Last edited by dafreeze; 7/18/12 at 09:36 PM.
#74
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
BTW, even with the additonal expense of plates/adj panhard and the headaches, I'm thrilled with this package. Car handles on a whole different level, and look forward to experimenting with the damper settings once new wheels and tires are on.
#75
Love the Ford Racing kit. Makes the ride a hole new animal. Everything went well, but the dealer did not install the bump stop from the kit. I think the new bump stop are small as the mustang is lower so the stops should also. Can't wait to test it out more.
Last edited by Colgate Stang; 7/20/12 at 07:11 PM.
#76
Originally Posted by Colgate Stang
Love the Ford Racing kit. Makes the ride a hole new animal. Everything went well, but the dealer did not install the bump stop from the kit. I think the new bump stop are small as the mustang is lower so the stops should also. Can't wait to testit out more.
#79
Thread Starter
Bullitt Member
Joined: February 20, 2011
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: High Desert of the Pacific Northwest
Thought I got the best deal possible @ $1400 delivered. Had another guy chiime in elsewhere and he got it for $1300 shipped from Tousley on line parts.
BTW, tires showed up yesterday and am still waiting on the wheels.
BTW, tires showed up yesterday and am still waiting on the wheels.