What's left for modding?
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I know that this car will be very well from the factory, but the same could be said for an M3. People buy those and mod them. I just wanted to see what other performance options are out ther to futher increase the awesomeness of this car, because after all there is always something faster.
I was only interested in the performance of this car. I am well aware that changing out the suspension will result in a great increase in handling.
I just can't wait.
I was only interested in the performance of this car. I am well aware that changing out the suspension will result in a great increase in handling.
I just can't wait.
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I haven't priced them in years. Last time I looked they all had to be custom made at around 350 dollars per rod, but I'm sure they have come down.
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So they put them for strength? I don't know why they would do that if both engines make the same power and swing the same pistons? Just curious.
I haven't priced them in years. Last time I looked they all had to be custom made at around 350 dollars per rod, but I'm sure they have come down.
I haven't priced them in years. Last time I looked they all had to be custom made at around 350 dollars per rod, but I'm sure they have come down.
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Agree! I have consistently been told when autocrossing that the order of modifications for improved handling started with the DRIVER.
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I think I am a pretty good driver and as most of us I hold a high opinion of myself. With that said, the last time I participated in road racing my Cobra and its miserable accomplice, the track, had a different opinion. Talk about collusion!
If my attorney would have been any good he could have made a case for defamation of character. What a bum!
If my attorney would have been any good he could have made a case for defamation of character. What a bum!
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I see a lot of discussion about the powertrain, but I don't think that will need modding unless you plan to drag race the car. If you plan to drag race the car you might be better off with a GT500 or boosted 5.0. The Boss was N/A primarily for the road course.
My questions on needs for modding relates more to the suspension and braking. I agree with 06GT in regards to brake fluid and Hawk DTC 70/60 pads and might add steel braided brake lines depending on what "reduced compressibility brake lines" actually means. I would also add a brake cooling kit on the regular Boss. The rest of the list depends on how hardcore you want to get with it becoming a mostly dedicated track car.
I was told by someone today that spent some time talking to the Ford engineers that the suspension has been tuned for the car and if you start swapping out for adj coilovers, etc. you throw off the whole setup unless you really know how to tune a race suspension, so I'm hesitant to start monkeying with that. At the end of the day will it lower lap times?
The big question for me is should I go ahead and order the regular Boss that my dealer will sell me with a January build date or keep hunting for an LS. I'm afraid trying to find an LS will be a long wait and an unknown cost. It really boils down to lap times for me. Ford says the regular Boss is roughly 2 seconds faster than a Brembo GT but I haven't seen anything comparing to the LS. If at the end of the day the lap times between the LS and the base Boss are minimal, I want the Competition Orange/Black with Recaros and Torsen diff. I have to decide in the next couple days apparently to keep the slot in production.
Feedback appreciated.
My questions on needs for modding relates more to the suspension and braking. I agree with 06GT in regards to brake fluid and Hawk DTC 70/60 pads and might add steel braided brake lines depending on what "reduced compressibility brake lines" actually means. I would also add a brake cooling kit on the regular Boss. The rest of the list depends on how hardcore you want to get with it becoming a mostly dedicated track car.
I was told by someone today that spent some time talking to the Ford engineers that the suspension has been tuned for the car and if you start swapping out for adj coilovers, etc. you throw off the whole setup unless you really know how to tune a race suspension, so I'm hesitant to start monkeying with that. At the end of the day will it lower lap times?
The big question for me is should I go ahead and order the regular Boss that my dealer will sell me with a January build date or keep hunting for an LS. I'm afraid trying to find an LS will be a long wait and an unknown cost. It really boils down to lap times for me. Ford says the regular Boss is roughly 2 seconds faster than a Brembo GT but I haven't seen anything comparing to the LS. If at the end of the day the lap times between the LS and the base Boss are minimal, I want the Competition Orange/Black with Recaros and Torsen diff. I have to decide in the next couple days apparently to keep the slot in production.
Feedback appreciated.
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... I was told by someone today that spent some time talking to the Ford engineers that the suspension has been tuned for the car and if you start swapping out for adj coilovers, etc. you throw off the whole setup unless you really know how to tune a race suspension, so I'm hesitant to start monkeying with that. At the end of the day will it lower lap times?
The Ford engineers did not come up with the setup and its components to work in harmony overnight. I assume the final product was not the same from the beginning to the end. From their feedback the main emphasis was "doing it right or not at all".
As for the Boss vs the LS, the powertrain and suspension are identical. The exception being the wheel/tires, rear springs, and F&R spoilers which effects are to be determined. IMO those are likely to make a minimal difference on the track when compared to the Boss.
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From Mark @ http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php
Here is a summary of upgrades/changes from the GT for the 2012 Boss 302:
Powertrain
Boss 302R Intake
Forged Pistons
Forged Con-Rods
Race-Spec Main and Rod Bearings
Sodium Filled Exhaust Valves
Hi-Lift Cams
7500 RPM Limit
CNC’d Heads
Oil Cooler
Larger Radiator
Revised Radiator Plumbing
Revised Oil Pan Baffling
Race Inspired Clutch
3.73 Axle Ratio
Finned Aluminum Diff Cover
Limited Slip Diff with carbon fiber plates (Torsen Limited Slip Available)
Quad Exhaust
Suspension
Higher Rate Springs (lowered 11MM front – 1MM rear)
Adjustable Struts/Shocks
Tuned Electronic Steering with 3 Settings
Unique traction control system settings
Unique electronic stability control settings
TracKey - Additional Key that enables the PCM setting of the 302R (dealer flash required)
Body
Black or White Roof Panel and Coordinated C-Stripe
Unique Front Facia with Blocked off Fog Lamps and Splitter
Small Rear Spoiler
Interior
Alcantara Steering Wheel
Unique Shift ****
Unique Cloth Seats (Recaros available)
Dark Metallic Instrument Panel Finish
Unique Guages
Unique Door Sill
11 Pounds of Sound Deadening Removed
Brakes, Wheels and Tires
Brembo 14 inch vented discs front
Boss specific rear compounds pads rear
Vented Brake Shields
Unique ABS tuning
Reinforced Brake Lines
Lightweight 19X9 and 19X9.5 Wheels
Pirelli P-Zero Tires 255/40/ZR19 Front 285/35/ZR19 Rear
Laguna Seca Package
Available in Black or Silver with Red Accents
Rear Seat Delete
Standard Recaro Seats
Rear Body Stiffening X-Brace
Softer Front and Firmer Rear Springs
Stiffer Damper Settings
Larger Rear Anti-Roll Bar
Unique 19x9 Front and 19x10 Rear wheels
Pirelli Corsa Tires 255/40/ZR19 Front and 285/35/ZR19 Rear
Larger Front Splitter
Pedestal Rear Spoiler
Brake Ducts
Torsen Diff Standard
Auxiliary Gauge Package with Oil/Water Temp and Lap Timer
Unique Laguna Seca rear medallian
Powertrain
Boss 302R Intake
Forged Pistons
Forged Con-Rods
Race-Spec Main and Rod Bearings
Sodium Filled Exhaust Valves
Hi-Lift Cams
7500 RPM Limit
CNC’d Heads
Oil Cooler
Larger Radiator
Revised Radiator Plumbing
Revised Oil Pan Baffling
Race Inspired Clutch
3.73 Axle Ratio
Finned Aluminum Diff Cover
Limited Slip Diff with carbon fiber plates (Torsen Limited Slip Available)
Quad Exhaust
Suspension
Higher Rate Springs (lowered 11MM front – 1MM rear)
Adjustable Struts/Shocks
Tuned Electronic Steering with 3 Settings
Unique traction control system settings
Unique electronic stability control settings
TracKey - Additional Key that enables the PCM setting of the 302R (dealer flash required)
Body
Black or White Roof Panel and Coordinated C-Stripe
Unique Front Facia with Blocked off Fog Lamps and Splitter
Small Rear Spoiler
Interior
Alcantara Steering Wheel
Unique Shift ****
Unique Cloth Seats (Recaros available)
Dark Metallic Instrument Panel Finish
Unique Guages
Unique Door Sill
11 Pounds of Sound Deadening Removed
Brakes, Wheels and Tires
Brembo 14 inch vented discs front
Boss specific rear compounds pads rear
Vented Brake Shields
Unique ABS tuning
Reinforced Brake Lines
Lightweight 19X9 and 19X9.5 Wheels
Pirelli P-Zero Tires 255/40/ZR19 Front 285/35/ZR19 Rear
Laguna Seca Package
Available in Black or Silver with Red Accents
Rear Seat Delete
Standard Recaro Seats
Rear Body Stiffening X-Brace
Softer Front and Firmer Rear Springs
Stiffer Damper Settings
Larger Rear Anti-Roll Bar
Unique 19x9 Front and 19x10 Rear wheels
Pirelli Corsa Tires 255/40/ZR19 Front and 285/35/ZR19 Rear
Larger Front Splitter
Pedestal Rear Spoiler
Brake Ducts
Torsen Diff Standard
Auxiliary Gauge Package with Oil/Water Temp and Lap Timer
Unique Laguna Seca rear medallian
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I would expect it to be on a road course otherwise what would be the point. I think the Boss will be very similar to the capabilities of Roush Stage 3.
IMO the GT500 would likely have the edge on the quarter mile.
IMO the GT500 would likely have the edge on the quarter mile.
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There is not going to be a whole lot to mod. One reason I'm so excited about the car is that the LS could be a 11 sec car bone stock in cool weather seeing how it has sticky tires, higher rev limit, and 30 HP over a stock GT. Gt owners are adding a 30HP tune and sticky tires and seeing low 12's in this hot weather with cars that aren't even broke in yet. At most, it will just take a tune to get them in the 11's. I'm think the regular boss with sticky tires could do the same. I'm stoked about a 11 sec car with warranty and dosen't even need any mods. I'm not sure what the latest Vipers and top end Vetts are running now days, but there are few cars that can run mid 11's are faster. Now consider that most cars that do run in the 11's are standards then driver ability is going to play a big factor. A car that runs mid 11's isn't gauranteed to outrun a high 11 car every time. It's pretty much going to be a driver's race depending on who has the best reaction time and best driving skills. So, with all that said, there just isn't going to be very much on the street that can just flat out beat you every time. The boss is going to be the boss.
The Boss 302 will likely run high 11's under the right circumstances, but you never know what the guy next to you will run. However, who is buying a Boss 302 to drag race? It's a road race car!!! Wanna drag race? Get a GT and start modding....
Last edited by Five Oh Brian; Dec 1, 2010 at 05:49 PM.
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Well if it were me i dont like the stock ride hight (Butt end of the car is to hight in the air).I think about springs and a tune . If were going to track the car alot i do the up dates for the brakes call it a day.
