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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 09:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure we saw at least one oil cooler mounted out front. Looked to be about 12 inches wide... 9 inches tall.. about that as I recall. Rick, Drew, Chris... you guys remember talk of an oil cooler out front? When and why?
Yes there was.

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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
Yes there was.
Anyone have a part #?
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:25 AM
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I hated the oil cooler set up on my Lightning so I went with a set up like this with an external oil cooler.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10351

Something like this I think should work better.

Also for guys in the south you might consider running water with a water wetter in the cooling system.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
Yes there was.
So we need an external air-to-oil cooler. Something like this? :

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=22-726

Where was it mounted?

After installing the air-to-oil cooler I presume the stock oil-to-water cooler would be removed. Expect it would be to install the oil cooler adapter plate at the oil filter.


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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 2012-LS134
So we need an external air-to-oil cooler. Something like this? :

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=22-726

Where was it mounted?

After installing the air-to-oil cooler I presume the stock oil-to-water cooler would be removed. Expect it would be to install the oil cooler adapter plate at the oil filter.



do you know how the stock oil cooler mounts up to the motor? is the a port of some kind?

On the GM LS motors, there is a port that is used for an oil temp sensor, which is used to mount up oil coolers. Companies like Katech and TPIS sell an adapter that mounts to this port with an IN and OUT -10AN port for oil lines.

http://store.katechengines.com/bille...apter-p37.aspx

Here is how I did my external oil cooler setup from scratch, using the adapter:

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/au...r-install.html
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:49 AM
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I got a reply from MWilson that the M-8005-MGT will bolt right into our cars. I sent him another pm re the oil cooler in the 302S. If the 302S has a oil to air cooler, I bet that would fix the over heat problem.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MJockey
I got a reply from MWilson that the M-8005-MGT will bolt right into our cars. I sent him another pm re the oil cooler in the 302S. If the 302S has a oil to air cooler, I bet that would fix the over heat problem.
Sure sounds like it......

"Consideration was given to an external oil cooler, but ultimately it was decided not to penalize all Coyote buyers for the occasional antics of a miniscule fraction of owners. Oil temperature rises precipitously when the Coyote is revved more than 4,500 rpm for extended periods, and then an external oil-to-air cooler is vital. But those conditions can only be reached on a road-racing track, so the expensive cooler was ditched and engine management strategies were used to protect the engine during hot idles. However, the mounting area for the cooler was "protected" during the 2011 Mustang's development. That makes it easier for the open-trackers among us to fit a cooler (highly recommended by Coyote engine designers), and tells you something about Ford's intentions for special editions of the Coyote-powered Mustangs."

Since I pretty much live above 4500 on the road course this explains it. Hopefully in addition to "protecting" the area for the cooler, the plumbing is all setup for it and the 302R cooler is pretty much a direct bolt-in. Looking forward to hearing Mark's response.......
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 08:18 AM
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Would the SVT air-to-water heat exchanger work? I'm guessing it's probably not rated for the higher pressure of the oil system.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by smbstyle
do you know how the stock oil cooler mounts up to the motor? is the a port of some kind?
Here is a picture of the stock oil cooler.

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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
Here is a picture of the stock oil cooler.


That might just work if you want to fab up your own oil cooler. I wonder how those lines going in and out of that adapter mount, if theyre threaded in? might be easy to tap for a AN fitting port.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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I've got a pic of the cut away on my photobucket site. But I can't access that from work...
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by smbstyle
That might just work if you want to fab up your own oil cooler. I wonder how those lines going in and out of that adapter mount, if theyre threaded in? might be easy to tap for a AN fitting port.
I think you guys are looking at it wrong. The lines going in are coolant lines, not oil lines.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
I think you guys are looking at it wrong. The lines going in are coolant lines, not oil lines.
Right. You'd need to plug the lines at the filter mount and replace any/all radiator hoses with non-cooler parts.

Could probably then add a Canton (or other brand) filter mount onto the remaining filter mount and run AN lines to a cooler. Might make more sense (and room) to remove the filter mount and mount the adapter right up against the block. Hadn't really looked that closely at it.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JScheier
Right. You'd need to plug the lines at the filter mount and replace any/all radiator hoses with non-cooler parts.

Could probably then add a Canton (or other brand) filter mount onto the remaining filter mount and run AN lines to a cooler. Might make more sense (and room) to remove the filter mount and mount the adapter right up against the block. Hadn't really looked that closely at it.
yeah, a block adapter is how the LSx motors hook up their oil cooler adapters.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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My pics of the cutaway doesn't show that much.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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I'm not following, Is this what we have or is it what we should add?

Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
Here is a picture of the stock oil cooler.

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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boss
My pics of the cutaway doesn't show that much.

so I take it the coolant passes in and out of those ports, and flows around that area where the oil filter is? if so, that is the most retarded design of an oil cooler I've ever seen.

it almost looks like a spin-on plate style oil cooler adapter...

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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boss
My pics of the cutaway doesn't show that much.
I saw that at the race. Is that our engines or the R and S engines?
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bossdog
I'm not following, Is this what we have or is it what we should add?
that's what is already on the car.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by smbstyle
yeah, a block adapter is how the LSx motors hook up their oil cooler adapters.
Yes, and there is one in the Ford racing catalog specifically for the 5.0 engine.
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...m-6881-m50.htm

So it seems you would need to pull the stock cooler off and get a coolant hose made to complete the part of the coolant loop that was just removed (the larger diameter hose).

A remote oil filter housing will be needed along with the oil cooler.
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