No Sync in the Boss 302?!?!? WHAT?!?!?
#41
You can't have everything. The GT I have on order costs equal to that of a Boss. It's not the money. If they had offered the Boss with some of the creature comforts of the GT I would have sprung the extra cash.
It's what's important to you. I'll be driving mine on long trips, driving to work, etc. I might track it a few times, but at my personal skill level I don't think a couple hundred pounds will make much of a difference. I already make up for part of it by not being a lardass. My music and comfort means more to me than driving around a race car that never gets raced.
But hey, whatever floats your boat. It's your money.
It's what's important to you. I'll be driving mine on long trips, driving to work, etc. I might track it a few times, but at my personal skill level I don't think a couple hundred pounds will make much of a difference. I already make up for part of it by not being a lardass. My music and comfort means more to me than driving around a race car that never gets raced.
But hey, whatever floats your boat. It's your money.
#42
The Boss will be great. Mustangs in general have never been "one size fit all" type of cars. People certainly want their options. What works for some may not work for others. No one is right or wrong. We want different options and in everyones mind they are sure and decisive. I will just skip the car all together. If you want a race car......I mean a proper race car you have to spend a considerable amount of money or build it yourself. Buying a racecar from a dealership showroom floor means some compromises....power this/power that, no radio/radio, Air conditioning/no A/C while burning up on your way to the track, stiff and harsh suspension/adjustable coil over suspension, manufacturer developed street-track tires/semi slicks like a Toyo R888, lightweight race seats/comfortable leather buckets with lateral support, etc.
Buying a showroom stock car that has characteristics intended for performance driving on-track does not mean it should lose all of its comfort and basic luxury as a trade off for performance in my opinion. However the weight savings are welcome although in many cases it doesn't matter depending on the driver's skill level. Modding or building a track car you have an opportunity to custom build it to your liking. Some only plan to track the car once a month or less and never earn a penny doing so. Why should you lose the option to have some features because you bought a more track focused car?
Buying a showroom stock car that has characteristics intended for performance driving on-track does not mean it should lose all of its comfort and basic luxury as a trade off for performance in my opinion. However the weight savings are welcome although in many cases it doesn't matter depending on the driver's skill level. Modding or building a track car you have an opportunity to custom build it to your liking. Some only plan to track the car once a month or less and never earn a penny doing so. Why should you lose the option to have some features because you bought a more track focused car?
Last edited by eurocobra; 2/3/11 at 04:05 AM.
#43
Whether or not we drive the Boss on the street or track makes no difference. It is about appreciating what this car is all about, if you understand that, you ordered one no questions asked. There is nothing that is a shame about driving it even if it not a track. You do not need to be a racer to get that, some of us appreciate the heritage of this car.
I have seen this type of question on different forums and that is OK, we all need to start somewhere. People surprised at what the car does not have sound more suited to a loaded GT or Shelby. Others like the OP of this thread may not fully understand what the Boss stands for and may learn from these questions to become a true Boss 302 fan.
I also thought when I ordered the car it may not have had the AC but ordered anyway. It would have been tough in S. FLA so I am glad it does have it, that means I can use it more. I do not think Sync would have taken away from being a Boss but I really don't care since I can just use a blue-tooth GPS or something like that.
My 70 had seat back releases, radio, trunk and glove box lights, power steering and more. These things were considered luxury items at the time. The cars could have been ordered with deluxe interiors and more, only things you could not get was a Boss in black and AC. I am not sure if they are afraid a loaded Boss will take away from the Shelbys but I can understand and even like a more stripped out factory built race car.
One thing is for certain, this car is not for everyone. As time goes on and the cars hit the streets we are sure to see more comments like these. Many people think the more expensive the car is the more gadgets it will have, the Boss is just the opposite and most of us get that.
I have seen this type of question on different forums and that is OK, we all need to start somewhere. People surprised at what the car does not have sound more suited to a loaded GT or Shelby. Others like the OP of this thread may not fully understand what the Boss stands for and may learn from these questions to become a true Boss 302 fan.
I also thought when I ordered the car it may not have had the AC but ordered anyway. It would have been tough in S. FLA so I am glad it does have it, that means I can use it more. I do not think Sync would have taken away from being a Boss but I really don't care since I can just use a blue-tooth GPS or something like that.
My 70 had seat back releases, radio, trunk and glove box lights, power steering and more. These things were considered luxury items at the time. The cars could have been ordered with deluxe interiors and more, only things you could not get was a Boss in black and AC. I am not sure if they are afraid a loaded Boss will take away from the Shelbys but I can understand and even like a more stripped out factory built race car.
One thing is for certain, this car is not for everyone. As time goes on and the cars hit the streets we are sure to see more comments like these. Many people think the more expensive the car is the more gadgets it will have, the Boss is just the opposite and most of us get that.
#44
The original B2 came with an AM radio, stock- and a tach was an option, as was power steering. I think that some folks have a vague idea that the original car was some kind of stripped out race car. It was not. It was a FB car with some go fast goodies and a big valve motor that was worthless under 3.5 k that you needed to pull the covers off and adjust valve lash every few thousand miles that you couldn't get a/c on. Almost all normal options, outside of air, was availble on the gen one B2 car, outside of a/c.
I would like to have had sync in the car, sure. I will be putting in a Scosche dash insert, and a Avic nav/bluetooth unit. I will not be tracking the car, it will be my daily driver.
Before anyone tells me I do not understand what the Boss legacy is about, I own a 1970 B2 car, and have since the early 90s.
I would like to have had sync in the car, sure. I will be putting in a Scosche dash insert, and a Avic nav/bluetooth unit. I will not be tracking the car, it will be my daily driver.
Before anyone tells me I do not understand what the Boss legacy is about, I own a 1970 B2 car, and have since the early 90s.
#45
The important thing is to get what makes you happy. I was interested in the Boss until I found out that it didn't have some of the things I was looking forward to in my next car. Not saying that there's anything wrong with the car or anyone that wants one...
#46
Just wanted to apologize for almost saying the exact same thing as 2012YB above, if a bit less artfully.
I think that I'm much like OAC, but really wanted the B2 badly, since it's always been my favorite car, so I'll add some of the electronic goodies that I want aftermarket, and learn to live without the Shaker 1000 of my Bullitt. My wife's truck has SYNC, and I love it, it's awesome. I'd love to have it, but the B2 doesn't, so it is what it is. The trade is worth it to me. If it did not have air or power windows, I'd still buy one and learn to live with it.... I think.
Here in about a year, I'm sure we will have a mod forum and be talking about how to add some of these factory goodies.
I think that I'm much like OAC, but really wanted the B2 badly, since it's always been my favorite car, so I'll add some of the electronic goodies that I want aftermarket, and learn to live without the Shaker 1000 of my Bullitt. My wife's truck has SYNC, and I love it, it's awesome. I'd love to have it, but the B2 doesn't, so it is what it is. The trade is worth it to me. If it did not have air or power windows, I'd still buy one and learn to live with it.... I think.
Here in about a year, I'm sure we will have a mod forum and be talking about how to add some of these factory goodies.
#47
#48
The original B2 came with an AM radio, stock- and a tach was an option, as was power steering. I think that some folks have a vague idea that the original car was some kind of stripped out race car. It was not. It was a FB car with some go fast goodies and a big valve motor that was worthless under 3.5 k that you needed to pull the covers off and adjust valve lash every few thousand miles that you couldn't get a/c on. Almost all normal options, outside of air, was availble on the gen one B2 car, outside of a/c.
I would like to have had sync in the car, sure. I will be putting in a Scosche dash insert, and a Avic nav/bluetooth unit. I will not be tracking the car, it will be my daily driver.
Before anyone tells me I do not understand what the Boss legacy is about, I own a 1970 B2 car, and have since the early 90s.
I would like to have had sync in the car, sure. I will be putting in a Scosche dash insert, and a Avic nav/bluetooth unit. I will not be tracking the car, it will be my daily driver.
Before anyone tells me I do not understand what the Boss legacy is about, I own a 1970 B2 car, and have since the early 90s.
#50
I have several BT headsets and speaker phones. None come anywhere close to working as well as the built-in BT in my wife's Lexus. None. And SYNC is one of the best systems out there. Remember you can get SYNC without ordering the NAV.
#51
One thing is for certain, this car is not for everyone. As time goes on and the cars hit the streets we are sure to see more comments like these. Many people think the more expensive the car is the more gadgets it will have, the Boss is just the opposite and most of us get that.
#53
I go out of my way to avoid threads with titles like this one. They make me want to lacerate my body with surgically sharp razor blades and jump into a tub of rubbing alcohol...............
but I got sucked in by the post count
I was very glad to see that most of you guys "had my back" on this one.
but I got sucked in by the post count
I was very glad to see that most of you guys "had my back" on this one.
#56
I would have liked Ford to offer more OPITIONS (as in choices to add or not), because I will be DDing mine. I don't plan on mashing the gas pedal at every stoplight and it would've been nice to enjoy some modern day technology when not listening to the exhaust, IMO.
Before you spank me for my opinion, don't most race cars ride on trailers to the track?
Now you can spank--->
LQQK
Before you spank me for my opinion, don't most race cars ride on trailers to the track?
Now you can spank--->
LQQK
I understand what you're saying, but if you look at the lineage of cars that the Boss represents, it's lack of amenities makes perfect sense.
None of the "R" code mustangs of the past had radios period. Many of the Boss mustangs from yesteryear didn't either.
The Boss Mustang, whether we like it or not is marketed as an enthusiast car that will be worked hard, on a track. The fact is there's no time on track to be using this feature.
If you read the Boss sections of many of the web forums, you'll see that a good percentage of people that already have them on order are road-racers and auto-x'ers with intention on tracking them. Many are current or former "R" owners. This car is marketed towards them, not John Q Public that wants a street car with a cushy suspension, navigation, bluetooth etc.
And lets be serious, if you're going to use the car in a manor that you are needing a pit-crew that you communicate with, you aren't going to be using a bluetooth phone system from a factory car. In fact, if you're at that level, the radio will have been pulled out anyway for weight and rule book considerations.
I know guys that run NASA TT, Spec 944, CMC, AI and AIX and guess what. Not a single one of them has a pit crew other than themselves and maybe a buddy or family member that tags along.
In regards to performance figures, the aftermarket sees to that. If you want the afore mentioned cushy ride with all the niceties, you're better off with the GT and hoping it up the way you want. The car in stock form is still likely more car than most of the posters in this thread (myself included) can squeeze all the performance from.
None of the "R" code mustangs of the past had radios period. Many of the Boss mustangs from yesteryear didn't either.
The Boss Mustang, whether we like it or not is marketed as an enthusiast car that will be worked hard, on a track. The fact is there's no time on track to be using this feature.
If you read the Boss sections of many of the web forums, you'll see that a good percentage of people that already have them on order are road-racers and auto-x'ers with intention on tracking them. Many are current or former "R" owners. This car is marketed towards them, not John Q Public that wants a street car with a cushy suspension, navigation, bluetooth etc.
And lets be serious, if you're going to use the car in a manor that you are needing a pit-crew that you communicate with, you aren't going to be using a bluetooth phone system from a factory car. In fact, if you're at that level, the radio will have been pulled out anyway for weight and rule book considerations.
I know guys that run NASA TT, Spec 944, CMC, AI and AIX and guess what. Not a single one of them has a pit crew other than themselves and maybe a buddy or family member that tags along.
In regards to performance figures, the aftermarket sees to that. If you want the afore mentioned cushy ride with all the niceties, you're better off with the GT and hoping it up the way you want. The car in stock form is still likely more car than most of the posters in this thread (myself included) can squeeze all the performance from.
If you want a stripped race car Ford builds one for you.
I dunno, I think (I THINK) the boss is sill mostly a street car with its intended purpose to be used (at a higher percentage) on the street. I think its target crowd is those who enjoy driving and the fundamentals of driving. Those of us who enjoy driving can still find twisty, cop free public roads (I can)...or unleash max power on an onramp. If it were a ready racer then where are the roll cages, 5pt harness's, airbag delete, safety cutoff features...etc? Here are some examples though, check out their list of goodies!
FR500-BOSS302S
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11687
FR500C
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=8643
Just, saying....the boss will be awesome, but everyone has their own idea of awesome...some want sync and some think that destroys it. Did you see the first link FR500-Boss comes with GPS??? Haha, AIM data acquisition system with GPS...
FR500-BOSS302S
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11687
FR500C
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=8643
Just, saying....the boss will be awesome, but everyone has their own idea of awesome...some want sync and some think that destroys it. Did you see the first link FR500-Boss comes with GPS??? Haha, AIM data acquisition system with GPS...
Whether or not we drive the Boss on the street or track makes no difference. It is about appreciating what this car is all about, if you understand that, you ordered one no questions asked. There is nothing that is a shame about driving it even if it not a track. You do not need to be a racer to get that, some of us appreciate the heritage of this car.
I have seen this type of question on different forums and that is OK, we all need to start somewhere. People surprised at what the car does not have sound more suited to a loaded GT or Shelby. Others like the OP of this thread may not fully understand what the Boss stands for and may learn from these questions to become a true Boss 302 fan.
I also thought when I ordered the car it may not have had the AC but ordered anyway. It would have been tough in S. FLA so I am glad it does have it, that means I can use it more. I do not think Sync would have taken away from being a Boss but I really don't care since I can just use a blue-tooth GPS or something like that.
My 70 had seat back releases, radio, trunk and glove box lights, power steering and more. These things were considered luxury items at the time. The cars could have been ordered with deluxe interiors and more, only things you could not get was a Boss in black and AC. I am not sure if they are afraid a loaded Boss will take away from the Shelbys but I can understand and even like a more stripped out factory built race car.
One thing is for certain, this car is not for everyone. As time goes on and the cars hit the streets we are sure to see more comments like these. Many people think the more expensive the car is the more gadgets it will have, the Boss is just the opposite and most of us get that.
I have seen this type of question on different forums and that is OK, we all need to start somewhere. People surprised at what the car does not have sound more suited to a loaded GT or Shelby. Others like the OP of this thread may not fully understand what the Boss stands for and may learn from these questions to become a true Boss 302 fan.
I also thought when I ordered the car it may not have had the AC but ordered anyway. It would have been tough in S. FLA so I am glad it does have it, that means I can use it more. I do not think Sync would have taken away from being a Boss but I really don't care since I can just use a blue-tooth GPS or something like that.
My 70 had seat back releases, radio, trunk and glove box lights, power steering and more. These things were considered luxury items at the time. The cars could have been ordered with deluxe interiors and more, only things you could not get was a Boss in black and AC. I am not sure if they are afraid a loaded Boss will take away from the Shelbys but I can understand and even like a more stripped out factory built race car.
One thing is for certain, this car is not for everyone. As time goes on and the cars hit the streets we are sure to see more comments like these. Many people think the more expensive the car is the more gadgets it will have, the Boss is just the opposite and most of us get that.
x3
My PJ Saleen was basically the forebearer to Ford's version, and I enjoy all of the emenities I have, although it wasn't available with many options, i.e. nav, and SYNC wasn't available yet. Mine has the Scenic Roof and I have added an aftermarket nav stereo and I LOVE those OPTIONS on MY car, and it makes it no less enjoyable at Hallett or Thunder Valley.
Last edited by PACETTR; 2/4/11 at 07:59 AM.
#58
I definitely understand why those who will be using your Boss as a daily driver would want SYNC, etc. My Boss will not be a daily driver and I intend to use it the way I use my motorcycle - as an escape from the phone, email, etc. Just me, the sound of the engine, my IPod and the open road where I can't be found unless I want to be found. WAAAAAAY better than a trip to the psychiatrist.
#59
Whether people recognize it or not, this is sunset of the last golden age of the V8 ICE. With increasing CAFE standards coming into effect this car will most likely never be able to created again.
Lets all just be glad Ford is bringing such a worthwhile re-release of the Boss now. Lets not argue over small details like SYNC. Lets all hang up our phones and drive.
Lets all just be glad Ford is bringing such a worthwhile re-release of the Boss now. Lets not argue over small details like SYNC. Lets all hang up our phones and drive.
Last edited by askjeffro; 2/4/11 at 10:03 AM.