FRPP Boss 302 Air-to-Oil Cooler is now available
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Our kit with the remote oil filter uses the FL400s filter. I submit to you that there's absolutely no benefit of a larger than OEM filter unless you are contemplating running many more miles between recommended oil changes. (Note: Any oil filter that has the threads of the FL400s will work on our remote system... but my point is that there is no need.)
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The FL500S has a 22 mm diameter thread.
The Greddy remote filter adapter Kendal is using in his cooler kit has a 3/4" x 16 thread.
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If it is mounted in front of the condenser, what does the support bracket bolt up to? The radiator support on one side and the other side??? Maybe the grille?
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INSTALLATION QUESTION - Does the FRPP cooler install in front of the A/C condenser - or behind it (between the A/C condenser and the radiator)? The in-between location looks crowded.
If it is mounted in front of the condenser, what does the support bracket bolt up to? The radiator support on one side and the other side??? Maybe the grille?
If it is mounted in front of the condenser, what does the support bracket bolt up to? The radiator support on one side and the other side??? Maybe the grille?
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Isn't the A/C condenser installed under the center of the radiator support?
From the pictures it would seem that the A/C condenser has to be removed to install the FRPP oil cooler kit with the supplied bracket.
The 302S doesn't have A/C so this in not an issue. In the picture below I think the silver part behind the oil cooler is the radiator
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OK, I think I see it now. A drawing from the shop manual shows the condenser attaching to the front of the radiator. That location moves the condenser back from the center of the radiator support to make room for the oil cooler & bracket.
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So, this spot under the radiator support must be the area that was "protected" for an air-to-oil cooler during the development of the 2011 Mustang - as reported in the March, 2010 issue of 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords.
"Consideration was given to an external oil cooler, but ultimately it was decided not to penalize all Coyote buyers for the occasional antics of a miniscule fraction of owners. Oil temperature rises precipitously when the Coyote is revved more than 4,500 rpm for extended periods, and then an external oil-to-air cooler is vital. But those conditions can only be reached on a road-racing track, so the expensive cooler was ditched and engine management strategies were used to protect the engine during hot idles. However, the mounting area for the cooler was "protected" during the 2011 Mustang's development. That makes it easier for the open-trackers among us to fit a cooler (highly recommended by Coyote engine designers), and tells you something about Ford's intentions for special editions of the Coyote-powered Mustangs."
"Consideration was given to an external oil cooler, but ultimately it was decided not to penalize all Coyote buyers for the occasional antics of a miniscule fraction of owners. Oil temperature rises precipitously when the Coyote is revved more than 4,500 rpm for extended periods, and then an external oil-to-air cooler is vital. But those conditions can only be reached on a road-racing track, so the expensive cooler was ditched and engine management strategies were used to protect the engine during hot idles. However, the mounting area for the cooler was "protected" during the 2011 Mustang's development. That makes it easier for the open-trackers among us to fit a cooler (highly recommended by Coyote engine designers), and tells you something about Ford's intentions for special editions of the Coyote-powered Mustangs."
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Oh yea I forgot about that article. Makes sense that's what they're talking about. I'm guessing the actual percentage of 5.0s tracked is extremely low, but I wonder what percentage of Boss 302s see the track? I'm really glad I've got the cooler now.
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Yeah, the percentage of mustang tracked to all those sold may be small, but in absolute numbers of cars I would guess the number is significant given the large size of the aftermarket and numbers of vendors.
As for as Boss Mustangs being tracked... it may be a bigger number than we think. Just look at the number of Track Attack sessions this year, the announcement that additional cars are being added to the 2012 sessions and that all the 2012 seats are taken already....before delivery of the first 2013 Boss. BTA was originally announced as a three year program. If the turnout for the 2013 owners is the same as it has been for 2012 owners....well unless something changes there could be several sad 2013 owners by the end of 2013.
Having the extra oil cooling capacity is a good and/or necessary addition for cars driven near their performance potential in the warmer months for more than a couple of press laps. Surely you will see a difference the first time out with the S hood, cooler, grille and radiator.
As for as Boss Mustangs being tracked... it may be a bigger number than we think. Just look at the number of Track Attack sessions this year, the announcement that additional cars are being added to the 2012 sessions and that all the 2012 seats are taken already....before delivery of the first 2013 Boss. BTA was originally announced as a three year program. If the turnout for the 2013 owners is the same as it has been for 2012 owners....well unless something changes there could be several sad 2013 owners by the end of 2013.
Having the extra oil cooling capacity is a good and/or necessary addition for cars driven near their performance potential in the warmer months for more than a couple of press laps. Surely you will see a difference the first time out with the S hood, cooler, grille and radiator.
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So, this spot under the radiator support must be the area that was "protected" for an air-to-oil cooler during the development of the 2011 Mustang - as reported in the March, 2010 issue of 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords.
"Consideration was given to an external oil cooler, but ultimately it was decided not to penalize all Coyote buyers for the occasional antics of a miniscule fraction of owners. Oil temperature rises precipitously when the Coyote is revved more than 4,500 rpm for extended periods, and then an external oil-to-air cooler is vital. But those conditions can only be reached on a road-racing track, so the expensive cooler was ditched and engine management strategies were used to protect the engine during hot idles. However, the mounting area for the cooler was "protected" during the 2011 Mustang's development. That makes it easier for the open-trackers among us to fit a cooler (highly recommended by Coyote engine designers), and tells you something about Ford's intentions for special editions of the Coyote-powered Mustangs."
"Consideration was given to an external oil cooler, but ultimately it was decided not to penalize all Coyote buyers for the occasional antics of a miniscule fraction of owners. Oil temperature rises precipitously when the Coyote is revved more than 4,500 rpm for extended periods, and then an external oil-to-air cooler is vital. But those conditions can only be reached on a road-racing track, so the expensive cooler was ditched and engine management strategies were used to protect the engine during hot idles. However, the mounting area for the cooler was "protected" during the 2011 Mustang's development. That makes it easier for the open-trackers among us to fit a cooler (highly recommended by Coyote engine designers), and tells you something about Ford's intentions for special editions of the Coyote-powered Mustangs."
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Originally Posted by adam81
Great info! I forgot about this article as well. I remember seeing it before. I am definitely getting a cooler. Just not sure which one, FRPP or CoolTech. The thermostat is a must for me. And if you live in cooler climates it should be a must for you too......
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Also warming up the tires, brakes and driver’s brain are critical priorities prior to spirited on-track driving. That is why most open track organizations have a standing yellow flag for the first lap of each run session…to warm everything/everybody up. An oil temp sensor is a better idea, the oil is one of the last things to reach operating temperature. You may be surprised how long it takes with the engine just idling from a cold start. One of the benefits of the stock water-to-air oil cooler is that on start-up it’s first duty is to serve as an oil warmer.
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1) using an oil t-stat with the air-to-oil cooler and no water-to-oil cooler , or
2) using the water-to-oil cooler run in parallel with an air-to-oil cooler and no oil t-stat.
Should be an interesting test.
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Regardless I look forward to your review.
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There are few things I am 100% sure on!! LOL. I did speak with some gentlemen throughout last year and I know that they were not intending to have a thermostat in their solution. Second, I can tell you that from the picture of the component in their picture, they are using the same supplier that we want to use... and they have some bigger buying power than us.
But, here's the bombshell....
The Ford Racing Cooler is designed to be in SERIES to the OEM oil-to-water cooler! You will NOT replace the existing cooler.... you will simply add this cooler on. Without going too far, I can only say that there is compelling data that adding to the existing cooler can be even more effective than replacing the existing cooling system. As such, we are in process to make a small change to our kit to allow for keeping the OEM cooler and running the TWO coolers in series. (We are updating those who already purchased our kit free of charge, BTW.) All new Cool Tech kits will also be in series to the OEM cooler. This will make installation MUCH easier - no need to drain or fiddle with the cooling system or radiator hoses. Also, from a cost perspective - there will be no added cost to our kit as the new component (similar to Ford's) is slightly LESS expensive than the block adapter that we were including.
So, as of this writing, BOTH the Ford Racing Kit and the Cool Tech kit will run in series with the OEM cooler. The differences in the kits as I enumerated in the table a few posts ago are all valid. The specifications (cooling capacity, retail cooler prices, pressure drops, etc.) are straight from Setrab. The biggest difference in the two systems is that Ford has chosen to run 2 coolers in series with no thermostatic control on either. We will run the OEM cooler "as is" and will bring the much larger Setrab cooler "on-line" at 180 degrees.
Finally, as I said a couple of months ago - and we will follow through.... we intend to have a second offering that is NOT thermostatically controlled and with no remote filter relocation in order to compete price-wise with the solution from Ford Racing. This second alternative from Cool Tech will retain the larger (3x more expensive)cooler, but it allows us to eliminate the remote filter / thermostat, 2 lines, & 4 fittings. As such, we can offer 2 solutions at two different price points.
But, here's the bombshell....
The Ford Racing Cooler is designed to be in SERIES to the OEM oil-to-water cooler! You will NOT replace the existing cooler.... you will simply add this cooler on. Without going too far, I can only say that there is compelling data that adding to the existing cooler can be even more effective than replacing the existing cooling system. As such, we are in process to make a small change to our kit to allow for keeping the OEM cooler and running the TWO coolers in series. (We are updating those who already purchased our kit free of charge, BTW.) All new Cool Tech kits will also be in series to the OEM cooler. This will make installation MUCH easier - no need to drain or fiddle with the cooling system or radiator hoses. Also, from a cost perspective - there will be no added cost to our kit as the new component (similar to Ford's) is slightly LESS expensive than the block adapter that we were including.
So, as of this writing, BOTH the Ford Racing Kit and the Cool Tech kit will run in series with the OEM cooler. The differences in the kits as I enumerated in the table a few posts ago are all valid. The specifications (cooling capacity, retail cooler prices, pressure drops, etc.) are straight from Setrab. The biggest difference in the two systems is that Ford has chosen to run 2 coolers in series with no thermostatic control on either. We will run the OEM cooler "as is" and will bring the much larger Setrab cooler "on-line" at 180 degrees.
Finally, as I said a couple of months ago - and we will follow through.... we intend to have a second offering that is NOT thermostatically controlled and with no remote filter relocation in order to compete price-wise with the solution from Ford Racing. This second alternative from Cool Tech will retain the larger (3x more expensive)cooler, but it allows us to eliminate the remote filter / thermostat, 2 lines, & 4 fittings. As such, we can offer 2 solutions at two different price points.
Also where do you mount the remote filter?
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1) using an oil t-stat with the air-to-oil cooler and no water-to-oil cooler , or
2) using the water-to-oil cooler run in parallel with an air-to-oil cooler and no oil t-stat.
2) using the water-to-oil cooler run in parallel with an air-to-oil cooler and no oil t-stat.