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Old 7/7/11 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LateApex
I don't see any legal impediments here, and there's no court-ordered injunction to "cease and desist manufacturing", so to speak, so no real impact here. I'll have my Trackkey now please
Originally Posted by Blainestang
These kinds of things happen all the time. For instance, someone sued over the MyColor thing in '05, saying that Ford stole their idea/product and that still exists.
Exactly, and the more the idea is used , the more the final damages will be. So, in reality, the company (or person) suing, actually benifits the more the infringed technology or idea is used. Does anyone recall the intermintent windshield wiper inventor? By the time he won his infringemetn law suit, almost every car company in the world had adopted his idea in some way and he sued them all. Once he won the first one, they all fell like dominos.
Old 7/7/11 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nota4re
The test to insure that in fact the key is invoking an alternate program.
When the activated red key is inserted, the Message Center says:

TRACKEY ACTIVE
TRACK USE ONLY

edit: as shown in the upper left area of this page:
http://fordracingparts.com/trackey/

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Old 7/7/11 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nota4re
Agreed. I think he and/or the dealership may be mistaken. This isn't something that is going to trickle out. Does his car have the lopey idle?? The test to insure that in fact the key is invoking an alternate program.

I didn't quite have the nerve to ask him to prove it by starting the car, but he did say it sounded different with each key. Who knows. If I get 5 free minutes, I intend to call the dealership's service manager and ask.
Old 7/7/11 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FAFP90

When the activated red key is inserted, the Message Center says:

TRACKEY ACTIVE
TRACK USE ONLY

edit: as shown in the upper left area of this page:
http://fordracingparts.com/trackey/
Beat me to it Vince
Old 7/7/11 | 11:17 PM
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Mayb Ford has or could ship the Track key software to the dealers. The dealers could then let the customers program their own cars. The dealers would not be liable because they did not program the cars for Track Key. Is that a way to get around a lawsuit such as this if the Track Key is part of the lawsuit ?
Old 7/10/11 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kristin
FWIW, I ran into a guy this weekend at a car show who just took delivery of his Boss 2 weeks ago. He's very involved in the Mustang clubs here in the northwest and told me not to believe everything we're hearing about the track key. He said that our local dealership, Riverside Ford, Sumner, WA activated his trackkey - it took about an hour to download the software. I don't know this person, but I told him I have a Boss on order and the Mustang community is small, so there's a 100% chance I will see him again. The dealership does have a good reputation and I'm not sure why he would lie to me since it would be easy to verify. Maybe the dealerships have the software but are being told not to sell it yet due to the issues?
Either misinformed or a liar.
Old 7/10/11 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bossdog

Exactly, and the more the idea is used , the more the final damages will be. So, in reality, the company (or person) suing, actually benifits the more the infringed technology or idea is used. Does anyone recall the intermintent windshield wiper inventor? By the time he won his infringemetn law suit, almost every car company in the world had adopted his idea in some way and he sued them all. Once he won the first one, they all fell like dominos.
You are assuming the case, if there is one, will be lost, or just not settled. Put it this way - if this was a clear, highly legitimate claim, you would know - an injunction on the sale and manufacture of the disputed technologies would exist. And that would have been front-page news everywhere, because it would affect a huge chunk of Ford's current lineup. Remember the injunction against RIM a few years ago? It would look like that.

Point is, no manufacturer stops manufacturing anything due to the threat of lawsuit, or nothing would ever get made. You literally cannot make anything innovative in the world anymore without factoring in the incoming lawsuits you will be the target of. That's just the cost of doing business these days. This is not hyperbole or supposition - it is plain, simple truth. Ford's not stupid - even if there is merit to the claim, perhaps especially if there is merit, Ford factors all of this in. It's incredibly hard to get injunctions of these sorts - even your windshield wiper guy didn't get one. He did not win all of his suits, far from it. And the money he made paled in comparison to the money made off of the invention from those who took the idea. Just another expense, if you will, no more, no less.

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Old 7/10/11 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LateApex
You are assuming the case, if there is one, will be lost, or just not settled. Put it this way - if this was a clear, highly legitimate claim, you would know - an injunction on the sale and manufacture of the disputed technologies would exist. And that would have been front-page news everywhere, because it would affect a huge chunk of Ford's current lineup. Remember the injunction against RIM a few years ago? It would look like that.

Point is, no manufacturer stops manufacturing anything due to the threat of lawsuit, or nothing would ever get made. You literally cannot make anything innovative in the world anymore without factoring in the incoming lawsuits you will be the target of. That's just the cost of doing business these days. This is not hyperbole or supposition - it is plain, simple truth. Ford's not stupid - even if there is merit to the claim, perhaps especially if there is merit, Ford factors all of this in. It's incredibly hard to get injunctions of these sorts - even your windshield wiper guy didn't get one. He did not win all of his suits, far from it. And the money he made paled in comparison to the money made off of the invention from those who took the idea. Just another expense, if you will, no more, no less.
Absolutely correct. I explained this to someone else in almost the same way and pointed out the RIMM case. Another point is the Boss has such a small volume of units. If Ford was that worried about this they'd have stopped shipping their high volume models with Sync, MyKey etc long before they'd worry about 4k Boss units.
Old 7/10/11 | 09:04 AM
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Mark from Ford Racing told me two days ago that "your state" is the ONLY thing holding it up.
Old 7/10/11 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PACETTR
Either misinformed or a liar.
Not so quick there PACETTR, you can get a lot of knowledge at cruise nights. I took the Boss to one a week ago and I was told by a guy that if I track the Boss without changing out the whole entire brake system they will fade after one lap and I will heading off the track (I'm not kidding) gee, wish I would have know this before tracking the Boss several times
Old 7/13/11 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2012YellowBoss
Not so quick there PACETTR, you can get a lot of knowledge at cruise nights. I took the Boss to one a week ago and I was told by a guy that if I track the Boss without changing out the whole entire brake system they will fade after one lap and I will heading off the track (I'm not kidding) gee, wish I would have know this before tracking the Boss several times
Lol
Old 7/14/11 | 07:57 AM
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Angry trackey

I want my Trackey and my Track attack, would be nice if Ford would at least let us know what is going on, since this was supposed to be part of the purchase, maybe it will take a class action lawsuit, you can not advertise and not deliver,I have won lawsuits against Kawasaki and Uniroyal over that, it is cut and dry, I am losing my patience with this
Old 7/14/11 | 08:05 AM
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I'd settle for delivery of my vehicle before September - lol.
Old 7/14/11 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by billyboss
I want my Trackey and my Track attack, would be nice if Ford would at least let us know what is going on, since this was supposed to be part of the purchase, maybe it will take a class action lawsuit, you can not advertise and not deliver,I have won lawsuits against Kawasaki and Uniroyal over that, it is cut and dry, I am losing my patience with this
Ford would love for you to have your TracKey. You'll probably have to sue CARB if you're going that route. That's the only holdup.
Old 7/14/11 | 08:20 AM
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I would just like an official word from Ford, more on the track attack then the key, I do understand the carb process, I work in the automotive field, with cars out there in the 1000's now how long will it take to get the school for all that are wanting to do it, would like to be able to plan the time off with work, for my work the summer is the best time to do that, like I said would just like official word, I want to go play
Old 7/14/11 | 08:29 AM
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They sell fireworks in Ohio, but you have to sign a waiver stating you won't set them off IN Ohio, because they're illegal here.

They should go ahead and send out the Track Key to all Boss owner's, with a disclaimer you must sign stating that you won't use it in CA until it's CARB-approved.
Old 7/14/11 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin38
They should go ahead and send out the Track Key to all Boss owner's, with a disclaimer you must sign stating that you won't use it in CA until it's CARB-approved.
Let's go back to the 80's and just make it illegal for use in California. I'll setup shop at the CA state line and everyone can come see me for install When you get your car smogged, just don't bring the red key.
Old 7/14/11 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin38
They sell fireworks in Ohio, but you have to sign a waiver stating you won't set them off IN Ohio, because they're illegal here.

They should go ahead and send out the Track Key to all Boss owner's, with a disclaimer you must sign stating that you won't use it in CA until it's CARB-approved.
Over a dozen states are CARB now
Old 7/14/11 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Vito
Over a dozen states are CARB now
Are you still holding your nosr?
Old 7/14/11 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
Are you still holding your nosr?
I have it tucked into my shirt


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