California is why you guys don't have Trackey yet.
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I don't see why Ford won't release the key to other states, Roush did this on there new RS3 released to all of the states but Cali and after all of the CARB tests it is now Legal to sell there, after almost a year.
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IMO, the best thing that can happen is the federal government steps in, makes the CA emissions the new standard, and unifies everything to a standard. This way, no more CA emissions, and everyone is on the same page. OEMs would have to design one emissions system, instead of tweaking it for specific regions.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...onomy/carb.htm
After reading that, it sounds like the time for CARB has come and gone. While it was a novel original idea, it needs to be taken out back behind the shed and dealt with.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...onomy/carb.htm
After reading that, it sounds like the time for CARB has come and gone. While it was a novel original idea, it needs to be taken out back behind the shed and dealt with.
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Can someone enlighten me about exhaust systems that state "for off road use only". Are they able to be sold in Calif.? Do they have to pass CARB?
I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.
Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.
I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.
Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.
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Can someone enlighten me about exhaust systems that state "for off road use only". Are they able to be sold in Calif.? Do they have to pass CARB?
I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.
Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.
I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.
Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.
The way I understand it is Ford, being an OEM, has to adhere to stricter standards than an aftermarket tuner. Because this is offered as an accessory, it falls in line with all FMVSS standards and EPA/CARB requirements. FRPP parts are the same way, in that they have to pass the OEMs required testing in order to be sold under that name. When Ford Racing installed the tune on my car at Livernois earlier this year, the engineer who came out explained it as such. He was stressing the extra lengths that they go through to test and validate their products over the aftermarket ones.
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Originally Posted by Whammer
My dealer has the track key programming but he's not allowed to install it yet, he needs Ford's approval.
He did however install it in my car and let me drive it for the day. At the end of the day I had to return the red key to him and he locked it in the dealership's safe. He will release to key to me once he gets approval from Ford.
He did however install it in my car and let me drive it for the day. At the end of the day I had to return the red key to him and he locked it in the dealership's safe. He will release to key to me once he gets approval from Ford.
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Yep the more aggressive engine braking is more obvious than the more aggressive throttle response IMO. Both will make driving the car on the street less smooth for anything other than short distances. I liked the idle especially when the car was warm. I doubt I'll be using the launch control more than a few times during my ownership of the car. Regardless I'll be buying it as soon as it becomes available. I hope someone puts their car on a dyno so we can see what the differences are with the torque curve and HP.
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Yep, they still have to have a CARB EO sticker or it'll be considered illegal in CA.
The way I understand it is Ford, being an OEM, has to adhere to stricter standards than an aftermarket tuner. Because this is offered as an accessory, it falls in line with all FMVSS standards and EPA/CARB requirements. FRPP parts are the same way, in that they have to pass the OEMs required testing in order to be sold under that name. When Ford Racing installed the tune on my car at Livernois earlier this year, the engineer who came out explained it as such. He was stressing the extra lengths that they go through to test and validate their products over the aftermarket ones.
The way I understand it is Ford, being an OEM, has to adhere to stricter standards than an aftermarket tuner. Because this is offered as an accessory, it falls in line with all FMVSS standards and EPA/CARB requirements. FRPP parts are the same way, in that they have to pass the OEMs required testing in order to be sold under that name. When Ford Racing installed the tune on my car at Livernois earlier this year, the engineer who came out explained it as such. He was stressing the extra lengths that they go through to test and validate their products over the aftermarket ones.
Then I still say Ford should partner with American Muscle and supply the TracKey through them. It's a perfect solution to work around the CARB problem.
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