13 1LE Camaro Faster than a Boss 302 LS?
7/31/12, 06:45 AM
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I am pretty surprised by this result for the 1LE vs the boss, I agree with most of the above I want to see a head to head with the same driver. I assumed the ZL1 would be a better track car than the GT500 due to that awesome magnetorheological suspension system (it really is amazing tech) but the 1LE doesnt get that. I have no doubt we will get our wish, comparo tests will be plenty.....
8/1/12, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
I love reading Camaro5. They think they got a Boss 302 killer. There are going to be some sad owners come race day.
8/1/12, 06:41 AM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
That's I think a more realistic review. Let's see, weighs more, has less power, and is slower. Yeah, so whatever Autoblog achieved in that video, a Boss on the same day, driven by the same guy, would have been faster.
But hey, C&D does mention that it's cheaper than the Boss, so it's got that going for it.
That's I think a more realistic review. Let's see, weighs more, has less power, and is slower. Yeah, so whatever Autoblog achieved in that video, a Boss on the same day, driven by the same guy, would have been faster.
But hey, C&D does mention that it's cheaper than the Boss, so it's got that going for it.
8/1/12, 07:16 PM
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There is no way in hell that an off the shelf Camaro ZL1 or 1LE has that good of turn in and mid corner grip without some major suspension changes, and R tires. I like both, but what a mis-leading article/video.
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8/4/12, 05:44 PM
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Doesn't the Camaro SS 1LE get the MR suspension set up of the ZL1 too?
If so, that suspension alone would probably be worth 3-4 seconds over the
stock SS suspension and the tires are worth another 1-2 seconds.
Chevy is doing nothing different than what other manufacturers do at the Ring with
their "stock" cars and professional drivers.
But like all you said above, the "real" test will come when it's a same track, same day, same driver situation.
If so, that suspension alone would probably be worth 3-4 seconds over the
stock SS suspension and the tires are worth another 1-2 seconds.
Chevy is doing nothing different than what other manufacturers do at the Ring with
their "stock" cars and professional drivers.
But like all you said above, the "real" test will come when it's a same track, same day, same driver situation.
8/4/12, 06:00 PM
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Doesn't the Camaro SS 1LE get the MR suspension set up of the ZL1 too?
If so, that suspension alone would probably be worth 3-4 seconds over the
stock SS suspension and the tires are worth another 1-2 seconds.
Chevy is doing nothing different than what other manufacturers do at the Ring with
their "stock" cars and professional drivers.
But like all you said above, the "real" test will come when it's a same track, same day, same driver situation.
If so, that suspension alone would probably be worth 3-4 seconds over the
stock SS suspension and the tires are worth another 1-2 seconds.
Chevy is doing nothing different than what other manufacturers do at the Ring with
their "stock" cars and professional drivers.
But like all you said above, the "real" test will come when it's a same track, same day, same driver situation.
8/4/12, 06:18 PM
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Right, and the 1LE has larger Ø, stiffer sway bars, too, in addition to other bits that set it apart, at least from a suspension and handling standpoint, compared to the standard-fare Camaro SS. I still don't think those parts will be anywhere near as good as the ZL1's magnificent magnetic dampers. The 1LE is also lacking the PTM system from the ZL1, an electronic aid that definitely helped the 580-horse Camaro handle corners quickly, IMO.
8/4/12, 06:35 PM
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Right, and the 1LE has larger Ø, stiffer sway bars, too, in addition to other bits that set it apart, at least from a suspension and handling standpoint, compared to the standard-fare Camaro SS. I still don't think those parts will be anywhere near as good as the ZL1's magnificent magnetic dampers. The 1LE is also lacking the PTM system from the ZL1, an electronic aid that definitely helped the 580-horse Camaro handle corners quickly, IMO.
8/4/12, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
Maybe this is good news, perhaps local dealers (Boston area) can stop raping customers on Bosses and GT500s!
8/5/12, 08:37 AM
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I'm not a Camaro guy but I'm baffled by how well both the 1LE and ZL1 perform despite being heavier and less powerful than the Boss and GT500. I wonder if a well tuned IRS will make up that ground for the Mustang.
8/5/12, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ManInABox
I find that list of times at VIR very interesting......very interesting indeed....
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html
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8/5/12, 01:10 PM
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I definitely don't see how it could hurt! Plus, if the Mustang can avoid gaining a substantial amount of mass in 2015, it'll be all the better, in my opinion.
8/5/12, 06:46 PM
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When I first read about the 1LE Concept I loved it. They showed it with the same wheels,tires F/R,mag shocks, and brakes as the ZL1 and I loved it. The production model does not have any of those parts unfortunately.
8/6/12, 08:20 AM
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It doesn't seem to need them. I see why Chevy would want to differentiate it further from the ZL1.
8/8/12, 11:50 AM
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A comparison test will be interesting to see, but the improvements in times are not out of the question for me though.
The Boss 302 alone makes that much of an improvement over the GT.
And the LS model gets another 1 or 2 improvement (mostly because of better tires).
So with the improvements in suspension, stabilizer bars, steering and then the much wider and better tires on the 1LE model over the base SS, I can see several seconds shaved off lap times.
Also keep in mind they added a shorter final drive ratio. In many cars that means more shifting and often slower times therefore, but if a certain car "stock" is geared too tall, and favoring some fuel economy over ultimate performance, shortening the gear ratio may in fact add to better times from harder acceleration out of corners and down the straights.
Will it be enough to beat the Boss 302? Might be close.
I don't think it'll be enough to take a LS model though with the LS even better tires and slight improvement over the Boss 302.
The biggest advantage the Boss 302 will have is acceleration.
The 1LE package does not give the Camaro more power.
So even if the shorter gear ratio gives it slightly better acceleration, it still will not hang with a Boss 302 in the straights or during any kind of acceleration contest.
The Boss 302 alone makes that much of an improvement over the GT.
And the LS model gets another 1 or 2 improvement (mostly because of better tires).
So with the improvements in suspension, stabilizer bars, steering and then the much wider and better tires on the 1LE model over the base SS, I can see several seconds shaved off lap times.
Also keep in mind they added a shorter final drive ratio. In many cars that means more shifting and often slower times therefore, but if a certain car "stock" is geared too tall, and favoring some fuel economy over ultimate performance, shortening the gear ratio may in fact add to better times from harder acceleration out of corners and down the straights.
Will it be enough to beat the Boss 302? Might be close.
I don't think it'll be enough to take a LS model though with the LS even better tires and slight improvement over the Boss 302.
The biggest advantage the Boss 302 will have is acceleration.
The 1LE package does not give the Camaro more power.
So even if the shorter gear ratio gives it slightly better acceleration, it still will not hang with a Boss 302 in the straights or during any kind of acceleration contest.
8/8/12, 01:29 PM
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Here are the specs for the 1LE The 391 gear must put it in the gas guzzler teritory
8/8/12, 02:21 PM
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Great. There goes our limited run Boss 302. How much you want to bet this development causes Ford to continue the Boss line as they did the GT500? I believe open track racing is becoming more popular, and now there is an American competitor. Good for racing, good for Ford, dumb to back out of a challenge. But bad for me. I bought a Boss for the fun and enjoyment, but also partially for the exclusivity of a limited run. Keeping fingers crossed.