Will Mustang Catch up?
12/8/14, 07:42 PM
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Will Mustang Catch up?
Dodge really stole the 2015 Mustang's thunder this Spring with their Hellcat launch and then with their new Scat Pack 392 R/T. The new Mustang is a fantastic overall car and a great step in it's modern evolution but it's losing every time in a straight line (0-60 and 1/4 mile). I'm wondering what Ford is going to do to put the Mustang back on top as the quickest car Muscle Car of the big 3.
12/8/14, 08:02 PM
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Catch up to what? The GT mustang runs a 4.5 0-60 just like the 392 R/T; on 50 less HP because of the lighter weight. The 5.0 engine has a lot more potential as well on a lightweight car.
The Hellcat costs $60k (not counting any markup right now going on from 5-$20k) The GT350 is not meant to compete as a 1/4 mile car, but a Boss replacement for the track.
The Hellcat costs $60k (not counting any markup right now going on from 5-$20k) The GT350 is not meant to compete as a 1/4 mile car, but a Boss replacement for the track.
12/8/14, 08:04 PM
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I honestly don't think it is a priority with Ford, right now. The Hellcat and Z28 are limited by number and a later development in an old chassis. And,$60,000- $75000, for the other two, is well above the Mustang GT price. The Mustang is all new, and headed for an overseas market for the first time, to include left had drive models built at the factory. Ford, I believe is centered on getting this model established, world wide, especially the new Ecoboost, which comes in under the heavy taxation limit on engine size in many overseas markets.
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Catch up to what? The GT mustang runs a 4.5 0-60 just like the 392 R/T; on 50 less HP because of the lighter weight. The 5.0 engine has a lot more potential as well on a lightweight car.
The Hellcat costs $60k (not counting any markup right now going on from 5-$20k) The GT350 is not meant to compete as a 1/4 mile car, but a Boss replacement for the track.
The Hellcat costs $60k (not counting any markup right now going on from 5-$20k) The GT350 is not meant to compete as a 1/4 mile car, but a Boss replacement for the track.
12/8/14, 08:46 PM
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I couldn't care less about 0-60 or 1/4 mile as I would never buy a Dodge or a boat like the Challenger; as would many many other people out there. There is more in life and to measure than a straight line.
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12/8/14, 08:56 PM
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According to this article the mustang beats the scat pack. Camaro 1le in first.
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How is it moot? Back in 1969 a Boss 302 or Mach 1 handled and accelerated as best as Ford could affordably make it do so. Just like today… The modern Challenger is more of a "Muscle Car" than it is a "pony car". This isn't meant to be a Challenger sales pitch but rather a question as to when Ford will add more stank to the new Mustang. We've heard rumors about a Mach 1 and some talk about a return of the GT500. The SC 5.8 was a fantastic engine! Throw a taller hood on the new car and give us a GT500 or better yet, a NA 5.8 and call it the Boss 351!!
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http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...ck_mustang_gt/
According to this article the mustang beats the scat pack. Camaro 1le in first.
According to this article the mustang beats the scat pack. Camaro 1le in first.
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How is it moot? Back in 1969 a Boss 302 or Mach 1 handled and accelerated as best as Ford could affordably make it do so. Just like today… The modern Challenger is more of a "Muscle Car" than it is a "pony car". This isn't meant to be a Challenger sales pitch but rather a question as to when Ford will add more stank to the new Mustang. We've heard rumors about a Mach 1 and some talk about a return of the GT500. The SC 5.8 was a fantastic engine! Throw a taller hood on the new car and give us a GT500 or better yet, a NA 5.8 and call it the Boss 351!!
What more do you want exactly right now 4 months in? You're acting like this is 5 years into the platform instead of mere months.
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It's a new platform, why wouldn't you want to begin on top vs. playing catch up? The point is, Mustang left on a high note and came out with a new car that is already behind (in acceleration) platforms that have been around since 2008. Is it such a shock that someone would want their car to come out being the best? This isn't "millennial generation" t-ball...
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It's a new platform, why wouldn't you want to begin on top vs. playing catch up? The point is, Mustang left on a high note and came out with a new car that is already behind (in acceleration) platforms that have been around since 2008. Is it such a shock that someone would want their car to come out being the best? This isn't "millennial generation" t-ball...
Ford doesn't care, this is business not appeasing the .01%. You shoot for the masses, which clearly is their strategy making this a global car.
Shelby and Rousch will come in and beef them up just like the Stage 3 Rousch, GT500 and GT1000 did. The Mustang is a better platform to begin with being lighter and more nimble. Adding HP is easy.
It's not behind. v6 matches with v6 models. Again you cannot compare a base v8 model (GT) to a upper end v8 model (392 R/T). The GT is meant to compare to the Camaro SS and Challenger R/T (5.8 liter)- the base v8 models. 3rd party companies like Rousch and Shelby will come in and fill in the high HP v8 category (like the 392 engine which is 6.2 liter, not the base 5.8). Unlike Dodge, Ford does not build those in-house and never has so it takes time. Dodge has had years to build up its Challenger lien-up on its current platform.
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Would you rather sell (if you're the manufacturer) 100,000 GTs at $35,000 average of 2000 high end models at $60,000. That's why you don't start top to bottom, you go broke. The profit margins on higher end models is much smaller too.
Ford doesn't care, this is business not appeasing the .01%. You shoot for the masses, which clearly is their strategy making this a global car.
Shelby and Rousch will come in and beef them up just like the Stage 3 Rousch, GT500 and GT1000 did. The Mustang is a better platform to begin with being lighter and more nimble. Adding HP is easy.
Ford doesn't care, this is business not appeasing the .01%. You shoot for the masses, which clearly is their strategy making this a global car.
Shelby and Rousch will come in and beef them up just like the Stage 3 Rousch, GT500 and GT1000 did. The Mustang is a better platform to begin with being lighter and more nimble. Adding HP is easy.
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Would you rather sell (if you're the manufacturer) 100,000 GTs at $35,000 average of 2000 high end models at $60,000. That's why you don't start top to bottom, you go broke. The profit margins on higher end models is much smaller too.
Ford doesn't care, this is business not appeasing the .01%. You shoot for the masses, which clearly is their strategy making this a global car.
Shelby and Rousch will come in and beef them up just like the Stage 3 Rousch, GT500 and GT1000 did. The Mustang is a better platform to begin with being lighter and more nimble. Adding HP is easy.
It's not behind. v6 matches with v6 models. Again you cannot compare a base v8 model (GT) to a upper end v8 model (392 R/T). The GT is meant to compare to the Camaro SS and Challenger R/T (5.8 liter)- the base v8 models. 3rd party companies like Rousch and Shelby will come in and fill in the high HP v8 category (like the 392 engine which is 6.2 liter, not the base 5.8). Unlike Dodge, Ford does not build those in-house and never has so it takes time. Dodge has had years to build up its Challenger lien-up on its current platform.
Ford doesn't care, this is business not appeasing the .01%. You shoot for the masses, which clearly is their strategy making this a global car.
Shelby and Rousch will come in and beef them up just like the Stage 3 Rousch, GT500 and GT1000 did. The Mustang is a better platform to begin with being lighter and more nimble. Adding HP is easy.
It's not behind. v6 matches with v6 models. Again you cannot compare a base v8 model (GT) to a upper end v8 model (392 R/T). The GT is meant to compare to the Camaro SS and Challenger R/T (5.8 liter)- the base v8 models. 3rd party companies like Rousch and Shelby will come in and fill in the high HP v8 category (like the 392 engine which is 6.2 liter, not the base 5.8). Unlike Dodge, Ford does not build those in-house and never has so it takes time. Dodge has had years to build up its Challenger lien-up on its current platform.
Exactly my point. Why'd didn't they add more… The GT500 set a standard and the new Coyote 5.0s were street monsters when they came out in 2011. Ford swung for the fences. I think it's cool that Dodge went nuts on HP and that we have a HP race again. I'm just surprised Ford wasn't better prepared with the new model. We've know for a while that the Coyote was designed with direct injection in mind but where is it…? That's all I mean. Keep our car on top.
Again, Ford doesn't own Shelby. Ford has no control over Rousch or Shelby who will come up with higher HP cars as the months go on. They've only has a matter of months to tinker
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