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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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Thats probably a long way off when you consider even BMW still uses a mac strut on the 3 series cars. Even GM reverted to a mac strut on the current Camaro (the 4th gen had an SLA) and as long as the Mustang is a unibody car with no sub-frames, I doubt you'll see the strut (in this case or shock in an SLA) towers go the way of the dodo as well.

The strut towers aren't really a big problem since the engine bay is designed to accomodate a very wide engine, they might make header installation a pain, but its not all that better in a car that doesn't have them since wheel wells are still there.

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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 04:20 PM
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Yeah, the front struts seem to work quite well and as noted, BMW uses them to excellent effect, so I would put replacing them well behind updating the neolithic lively axle, a component design far more in need of updating.

As for engine bay size, I think the current is more than large enough as it already is capable of housing a 550hp motor. Rather than up-sizing engines and power in the future, I think, rather, Ford should downsize and lighten the Stang, which, given upcoming emissions and economy standards, will likely be the only way to go anyway.
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 08:45 AM
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ok congrats on the analysis, i guess i could just look under my car to verify where the bumper is but ill take your word for it but you only did half the work. if you believe the crash system/crumple zones theory is incorrect. why is it designed like it is?
I got to thinking about this, maybe it is nothing more then a design fad, and has absolutely no structural or functional reason, much like the Tail Fin of the late fifties and early sixties, and everyone is just tagging along. Like the 1956 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, '57 Chevrolet Bel Air, '60 Desoto Fireflite, '60 Chrysler Imperial Crown, '58 Ford Thunderbird, '58 Packard Hawk, '58 Cadillac Fleetwood, '57 Ford Fairlane 500,and a 1959 Cadillac Eldorado
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Design Improvement: Loose the ancient hood Prop and go to struts.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 2010MustangGT
Design Improvement: Loose the ancient hood Prop and go to struts.
+1, i'm typically one to be with the simple is best crowd, but this one just seems like a no brainer.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bob
Thats probably a long way off when you consider even BMW still uses a mac strut on the 3 series cars. Even GM reverted to a mac strut on the current Camaro (the 4th gen had an SLA) and as long as the Mustang is a unibody car with no sub-frames, I doubt you'll see the strut (in this case or shock in an SLA) towers go the way of the dodo as well.

The strut towers aren't really a big problem since the engine bay is designed to accomodate a very wide engine, they might make header installation a pain, but its not all that better in a car that doesn't have them since wheel wells are still there.
Well I guess they have improved that design over the years. I know many peolple have said that this was the weakest part of the Mustang design and we keep adding cross bars to the shock towers so I thought maybe a change was due.

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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 2010MustangGT
Design Improvement: Loose the ancient hood Prop and go to struts.
That's a good one. Simple and cheap for Ford to implement, but definitely an addition we have been wanting.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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V8 is absolute requirement.

Less weight, of course. Smaller wouldn't hurt either.

Get it off the stilts, lower profile rubber and push the (wider) wheels out so the first mod isn't replacing the springs and wheels. Look at basically any other sporting car for an example, Ford.

Oh and the driver's memory seat would be very nice.

Keyless entry, push button start.

Keep the glass roof.

Don't screw the good folks who buy the '14 by adding 100 HP to the '15.

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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WeinerDog
V8 is absolute requirement.

Less weight, of course. Smaller wouldn't hurt either.

Get it off the stilts, lower profile rubber and push the (wider) wheels out so the first mod isn't replacing the springs and wheels. Look at basically any other sporting car for an example, Ford.

Oh and the driver's memory seat would be very nice.

Keyless entry, push button start.

Keep the glass roof.

Don't screw the good folks who buy the '14 by adding 100 HP to the '15.
This kind of statement annoys the hell out of me. What is says is limit the performance of new cars because crybaby buyers from the previous year will whine. Well thank god manufacturers ignore those people.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 06:20 AM
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This kind of statement annoys the hell out of me. What is says is limit the performance of new cars because crybaby buyers from the previous year will whine. Well thank god manufacturers ignore those people.
No. What he means is that the engine upgrade should come with the first year of the redesign. Not a year later!

Its poor planning on Fords part, when a new engine lags a year behind a facelift or redesign.
Face it, the 5.0L should of been in the 2010 GT!
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GTJOHN
No. What he means is that the engine upgrade should come with the first year of the redesign. Not a year later!

Its poor planning on Fords part, when a new engine lags a year behind a facelift or redesign.
Face it, the 5.0L should of been in the 2010 GT!

Kinda like those folks that bought the first I-phones. 6 months later it was Faster, Cheaper ahd had more options.

When you build anticipation like they did for the 2010 upgrading the engine in 2011 is like a dirty trick.
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 03:15 AM
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I'm always intrigued by the push button start requests, other than the "cool" factor, I really cant see an advantage to it? And the same with keyless entry (which I assume to be a proximity unlock rather than just pressing a button on the fob to unlock the vehicle).

I've used the push button system in a variety of cars (the S2000 still required a key to be turned before hitting the button to the vette which was a proximity system for the locks and ignition) and it seemed like a neat gadget for the first use, afterwhich it lost its appeal.

I supppose by going to keyless entry/start that eleminates the lock cylinders as a component failure, but I generally only see Honda and Toyota with these problems (mainly Honda) on cars that are less than 20 or 30 years old.
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 06:22 AM
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Hey my Brothers 1947 ******* JEEP had push button start and Keyless Entry so Why not a 2012 Mustang.

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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Brewman
Hey my Brothers 1947 ******* JEEP had push button start and Keyless Entry so Why not a 2012 Mustang.
I don't think hot wiring and no doors counts
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jarradasay
I don't think hot wiring and no doors counts
Navy Surplus. They did not use Keys. It was build with a foot start switch but it was changed to a Dash Button when the old foot switch was to hard to find.

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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bob
I'm always intrigued by the push button start requests, other than the "cool" factor, I really cant see an advantage to it? And the same with keyless entry (which I assume to be a proximity unlock rather than just pressing a button on the fob to unlock the vehicle).

I've used the push button system in a variety of cars (the S2000 still required a key to be turned before hitting the button to the vette which was a proximity system for the locks and ignition) and it seemed like a neat gadget for the first use, afterwhich it lost its appeal.

I supppose by going to keyless entry/start that eleminates the lock cylinders as a component failure, but I generally only see Honda and Toyota with these problems (mainly Honda) on cars that are less than 20 or 30 years old.
I think the push button system people including myself are looking for is the system where you dont take the key out of your pocket to lock the doors or start the car. its pretty convenient, walk up, pull the handle, sit down, press button to start the car. necessary? no, useful luxury? yes
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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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I'm interested in a Dual Clutch Transmission or a Semi Automatic Transmission.
Ecoboost V6
Continue to increase HP in the 5.0L

I'm a V8 guy! All I've owned are GT's. But, I would like to see a performance model V6. Ecoboost V6 350-400hp. Great Handling & Great Styling. MPG has to be near 30 or better. If not, why bother?

As for the styling of the Next Gen Stang, I am fine with a more modern look. Like we've seen in concept drawings and other concept cars. But, it must maintain some of the classic Mustang design cues.
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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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An Ecoboost V6 with a DCT would make for an interesting and unique addition to the Mustang lineup -- a more high-tech, efficient, balanced approach than the existing V8 performance models -- maybe bring in even more previous import buyers to the fold, though that might require filling the last ***** in the Stang's armor, an IRS.
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GTJOHN
I'm interested in a Dual Clutch Transmission or a Semi Automatic Transmission.
Ecoboost V6
Continue to increase HP in the 5.0L

I'm a V8 guy! All I've owned are GT's. But, I would like to see a performance model V6. Ecoboost V6 350-400hp. Great Handling & Great Styling. MPG has to be near 30 or better. If not, why bother?

As for the styling of the Next Gen Stang, I am fine with a more modern look. Like we've seen in concept drawings and other concept cars. But, it must maintain some of the classic Mustang design cues.


I Remeber hearing ( I think it was Bill Ford but I could be wrong) someone at ford saying " We have learned that we can not SLAP Mustang on anything , drop a big motor in it and expect it to sell. We needed to get back to making MUSTANGs and then we can move the car forward. " I am Para phraseing the Heck out of it but that was the jist.

They needed to reastablish the Mustanf DNA so it could evolve into a Modern version of it self.

In Short I agree, smoother lines with classic Stang style cues maybe even a more agrsive stance would be great. I must say as I predicted in past threads the 2010 is really growing on me. Didn't really like at first.

as far as HO V6s, HECK YAH. 325 to 350 HP and 30+ MPG that is just awsome.
In their time the Buick Grand Nationals Ruled So if Mustang can take that notch as well as the V8 market GO FOR IT.
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