Questions we have about the 2015 Mustang that are still unanswered
12/31/13, 10:23 AM
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As I understand it, Ford discontinued production of the greatest 4 door sedan ever made because of low sales. Only old people and police departments were buying them. And to think that all it needed was the Coyote V8 and the police package suspension and brakes to save it. I'm talking about the Ford Crown Victoria of course. Best darned car I ever drove and never owned. No, it wasn't the fastest or the best cornering car, but it had a comfortable and firm ride, went places, and did things that few other cars could do. It wasn't the best at any one thing, but it was good at all of them. I hate to say this, but if I could have bought a police package Crown Vic with the Coyote in it, I wouldn't own a Mustang.
If I ever come up on an extra $20k, that's exactly what I'll be doing...
1/1/14, 05:45 AM
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As I understand it, Ford discontinued production of the greatest 4 door sedan ever made because of low sales. Only old people and police departments were buying them. And to think that all it needed was the Coyote V8 and the police package suspension and brakes to save it.
I'm talking about the Ford Crown Victoria of course. Best darned car I ever drove and never owned. No, it wasn't the fastest or the best cornering car, but it had a comfortable and firm ride, went places, and did things that few other cars could do. It wasn't the best at any one thing, but it was good at all of them.
I hate to say this, but if I could have bought a police package Crown Vic with the Coyote in it, I wouldn't own a Mustang.
I'm talking about the Ford Crown Victoria of course. Best darned car I ever drove and never owned. No, it wasn't the fastest or the best cornering car, but it had a comfortable and firm ride, went places, and did things that few other cars could do. It wasn't the best at any one thing, but it was good at all of them.
I hate to say this, but if I could have bought a police package Crown Vic with the Coyote in it, I wouldn't own a Mustang.
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1/1/14, 07:35 PM
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As I understand it, Ford discontinued production of the greatest 4 door sedan ever made because of low sales. Only old people and police departments were buying them. And to think that all it needed was the Coyote V8 and the police package suspension and brakes to save it.
I'm talking about the Ford Crown Victoria of course. Best darned car I ever drove and never owned. No, it wasn't the fastest or the best cornering car, but it had a comfortable and firm ride, went places, and did things that few other cars could do. It wasn't the best at any one thing, but it was good at all of them.
I hate to say this, but if I could have bought a police package Crown Vic with the Coyote in it, I wouldn't own a Mustang.
I'm talking about the Ford Crown Victoria of course. Best darned car I ever drove and never owned. No, it wasn't the fastest or the best cornering car, but it had a comfortable and firm ride, went places, and did things that few other cars could do. It wasn't the best at any one thing, but it was good at all of them.
I hate to say this, but if I could have bought a police package Crown Vic with the Coyote in it, I wouldn't own a Mustang.
I would be very interested in a 5.0 high performance 4 door with sports suspension. It's just my opinion but the Crown Vic is way to large to be that car.. It isn't just my opinion that the Crown Vic is by no appreciable measure the greatest 4 door sedan ever. Mercedes, BMW, Bentley, Audi... have all made pretty outstanding 4 door sedans which outperform the vic by all performance metrics..
As I posted on another thread I just drove the Chevy SS recently, really nice American 4 door.
1/1/14, 08:26 PM
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Wow calling a CrownVic the greatest 4 dr. sedan ever is almost comical. The reason no one was buying it is they were all in BMW 3/5 series sedans or C/E class Mercs. It needed a lot more than just the 5.0L Coyote and police suspension to save it. The only reason Ford kept it around as long as it did was the livery business (Lincoln Towncar) and Police. Otherwise the Panther chassis would have died along time ago.
1/2/14, 07:28 AM
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The DEW/LS platform was very good and had a lot of potential, but it existed during Ford's "good enough" years and was not developed to its full potential and sort of withered on the vine due to neglect. Imagine what a supercharger and good suspension package would have done - a domestic M5/AMG competitor.
1/2/14, 09:57 PM
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I would be very interested in a 5.0 high performance 4 door with sports suspension. It's just my opinion but the Crown Vic is way to large to be that car.. It isn't just my opinion that the Crown Vic is by no appreciable measure the greatest 4 door sedan ever. Mercedes, BMW, Bentley, Audi... have all made pretty outstanding 4 door sedans which outperform the vic by all performance metrics..
As I posted on another thread I just drove the Chevy SS recently, really nice American 4 door.
As I posted on another thread I just drove the Chevy SS recently, really nice American 4 door.
1/3/14, 05:41 AM
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This^, the CV was also probably the AARP fleet car - didn't it still have a Flexible Flyer class body-on-frame chassis, never mind the last auto refuge for a buggy axle save for the Stang. Definitely was outclassed on all significant fronts when put out to pasture.
The DEW/LS platform was very good and had a lot of potential, but it existed during Ford's "good enough" years and was not developed to its full potential and sort of withered on the vine due to neglect. Imagine what a supercharger and good suspension package would have done - a domestic M5/AMG competitor.
The DEW/LS platform was very good and had a lot of potential, but it existed during Ford's "good enough" years and was not developed to its full potential and sort of withered on the vine due to neglect. Imagine what a supercharger and good suspension package would have done - a domestic M5/AMG competitor.
1/3/14, 07:27 AM
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Just ask the body men about "the flexible flyer frame" in the VICS, the Charger police are the biggest POS that ever rolled with a badge, if they bottom out hard they buckle the ROOF and rear quarters! The Crown Vics can take a hit and keep going. All the Vic needed was more ooomph, as in Coyote. My two sons are VA Troopers, one with a Taurus, one with a VIC. Guess which is the preferred car of the State Police? Durability, the Vic, hands down. The Taurus AWD out accelerates it, (NA 240hp V-6) and out handles it, but without a question, won't outlast it. Forget Chrsyler, they are in the shop more than on the road. So far the Police Caprice is doing a good job, they are fast as snot too, but the jury is out on reliabiity!
I once was involved in a head-on collision with a 1970 Mustang. It put the engine of the Mustang in the front seat, and I drove the Crown Vic off.
1/3/14, 09:50 AM
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Owned a merc marauder back in 03/04 and loved it. Do a special edition like that in the ford line but don't call it a crown Vic if you want to attract a younger audience.
1/4/14, 08:20 AM
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Rhumb is correct with the BOF observation. Modern unibody cars are stiffer although in the name of safety they are designed with crumple zones to absorb impact energy. If BOF was superior you can bet the Germans would be churning them out.
As an example any recent car has to meet a requirement that in a roll over its roof has to support three times the weight of the vehicle. No such luck with any car rooted in the last century.
The Crown Vic's ruggedness probably has less to do with its BOF construction than an intentional effort by Ford to take advantage of its cheap to produce nature and intended use as a work horse.
1/5/14, 08:18 AM
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Pricing - Pricing - Pricing
I still love my '14 GT, however I do like the looks of the '15 and as everything seems to do, it will grow on me as time passes. While I am anxious to see and drive the '15 GT, the price point will be a big factor for me. Ford has announced there will be an increase in the price, let's just hope it is reasonable.
In 2009 my nephew bought a brand new Pontiac G8 GT for $27,552. It's replacement by GM is the new Chevy 2014 SS. Similarly equipped it cost $43,475 which is insane. I realize 5 years has passed...but come on..a 60% price increase.
I hope Ford does not follow GM's logic (or lack of).
In 2009 my nephew bought a brand new Pontiac G8 GT for $27,552. It's replacement by GM is the new Chevy 2014 SS. Similarly equipped it cost $43,475 which is insane. I realize 5 years has passed...but come on..a 60% price increase.
I hope Ford does not follow GM's logic (or lack of).
1/5/14, 03:40 PM
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I still love my '14 GT, however I do like the looks of the '15 and as everything seems to do, it will grow on me as time passes. While I am anxious to see and drive the '15 GT, the price point will be a big factor for me. Ford has announced there will be an increase in the price, let's just hope it is reasonable.
In 2009 my nephew bought a brand new Pontiac G8 GT for $27,552. It's replacement by GM is the new Chevy 2014 SS. Similarly equipped it cost $43,475 which is insane. I realize 5 years has passed...but come on..a 60% price increase.
I hope Ford does not follow GM's logic (or lack of).
In 2009 my nephew bought a brand new Pontiac G8 GT for $27,552. It's replacement by GM is the new Chevy 2014 SS. Similarly equipped it cost $43,475 which is insane. I realize 5 years has passed...but come on..a 60% price increase.
I hope Ford does not follow GM's logic (or lack of).
As far as the G8 to SS comparison. That's not a fair comparison. The SS is the equivalent of the G8 GXP (think GT 500 of G8's) they aren't offered similarly equipped either. The SS only comes loaded with every premium option you would ever want or maybe don't want. A loaded G8 GT stickered at about 33k. The base model stickered around 28k. Sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, just felt I had to clear that up as a G8 owner
1/5/14, 03:51 PM
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On pricing, I'm assuming a small increase over the current. I will assume that a well optioned GT with performance goodies will be 40-45k. 53ish for mach 1, boss or whatever mid level hp SE and 65+ for big bad boody daddy 600+ shelby/svt/gt350...
These numbers are scientifically derived at as I pulled them out of my tuckus.
These numbers are scientifically derived at as I pulled them out of my tuckus.
1/5/14, 03:59 PM
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On pricing, I'm assuming a small increase over the current. I will assume that a well optioned GT with performance goodies will be 40-45k. 53ish for mach 1, boss or whatever mid level hp SE and 65+ for big bad boody daddy 600+ shelby/svt/gt350... These numbers are scientifically derived at as I pulled them out of my tuckus.
1/5/14, 04:30 PM
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One of the neat things about mustangs is that you can get a pretty aggressive motor and well sorted out chasis for a broad price range. You can get 300+ ponies in a bare bones package for around 22k and up to over 650 HP for 70ish. Mustangs for Everyone!!!!
One concern I have is that I think believe there is going to be a problem with supply the first year as I suspect they are going to sell a poop load of these things overseas where fans have never been able to buy a Mustang. Theoretically production in big numbers should result in cheaper production costs keeping prices down. Then again if demand outpaces supply, it could hurt us. I'm sure there is someone on these boards who has a solid grasp of how this might work out, I clearly don't.
1/5/14, 04:53 PM
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My 2011 premium with entertainment pack, brembo, rear camera and some other goodies I don't remember was 40k. For this reason, I think Mustang GTs are already solidly in the 40-45 range. I hope that there will still be a low optioned 5.0 with cloth seats and a manual trans for under 33k.
One of the neat things about mustangs is that you can get a pretty aggressive motor and well sorted out chasis for a broad price range. You can get 300+ ponies in a bare bones package for around 22k and up to over 650 HP for 70ish. Mustangs for Everyone!!!!
One concern I have is that I think believe there is going to be a problem with supply the first year as I suspect they are going to sell a poop load of these things overseas where fans have never been able to buy a Mustang. Theoretically production in big numbers should result in cheaper production costs keeping prices down. Then again if demand outpaces supply, it could hurt us. I'm sure there is someone on these boards who has a solid grasp of how this might work out, I clearly don't.
One of the neat things about mustangs is that you can get a pretty aggressive motor and well sorted out chasis for a broad price range. You can get 300+ ponies in a bare bones package for around 22k and up to over 650 HP for 70ish. Mustangs for Everyone!!!!
One concern I have is that I think believe there is going to be a problem with supply the first year as I suspect they are going to sell a poop load of these things overseas where fans have never been able to buy a Mustang. Theoretically production in big numbers should result in cheaper production costs keeping prices down. Then again if demand outpaces supply, it could hurt us. I'm sure there is someone on these boards who has a solid grasp of how this might work out, I clearly don't.