has anyone yet inspected their hood seams?
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my complaint is the lack of, or spotty sealant applied, and all the 'stuff' under the paint. brand new cars and trucks at the 15 auto shows still leaving the factory with **** under the paint- only on Fords... no other manufacturer on display had 'stuff' underneath the paint, most all had much better sealant application, some had perfect sealant/paint- namely scion and the Alabama built Hyundais...
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Wow. There's just no excuse for that. This is exactly the kind of thing that drives customers to import brands and Ford could obviously give a **** less about it.
I almost wish the NHTSA would make Ford recall every F150 that has an aluminum hood over this. They would be crapping their pants for years to come, but I bet they would quickly find a way to quit turning out hoods that have corrosion straight from the factory.
I almost wish the NHTSA would make Ford recall every F150 that has an aluminum hood over this. They would be crapping their pants for years to come, but I bet they would quickly find a way to quit turning out hoods that have corrosion straight from the factory.
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When I cleaned the car the other day, I noticed a material between the top seam and the bottom hood piece, which was not present on my 2011. It appears sandwiched in between the two pieces of metal.
Now, on our 2015 Jeep Cherokee, it appears a similar material was used, but it is on top of all the seams, so you cannot see the metal end where it folds over. It is painted and gives a very smooth, finished appearance to the visible seams.
I am not sure if this material is what Ford used, but it seems Ford is trying to insulate the two metals. In any event, all of my seams and joints are very smooth, and well finished. I have an early build EB, from Oct 2014, purchased in Nov 2014.
It would be interesting to know if early build cars have better finish in this area, since the assembly line was moving slower as it ramped up.
Now, on our 2015 Jeep Cherokee, it appears a similar material was used, but it is on top of all the seams, so you cannot see the metal end where it folds over. It is painted and gives a very smooth, finished appearance to the visible seams.
I am not sure if this material is what Ford used, but it seems Ford is trying to insulate the two metals. In any event, all of my seams and joints are very smooth, and well finished. I have an early build EB, from Oct 2014, purchased in Nov 2014.
It would be interesting to know if early build cars have better finish in this area, since the assembly line was moving slower as it ramped up.
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question for Deysha- what is the paint adhesion warranty on 2015 Mustang?
I just found out, they upped 2015 F150 to 5 years on paint adhesion, its listed on the fleet.ford site... I wrote ford to apologize- if they are standing behind F150 for 5 years, I'm pretty sure the ugly pictures from the auto show I sent them likely did get back to the plant- as they needed to do better-- i'm expecting next time I check one out, it might be worlds better- hope so, my best friend just bought one yesterday- I havent checked it over yet, but will
If ford has the confidence to stand behind them 5 yrs, my worries are eased a lot- also talked to a guy in Detroit area, who said scores of F150s were getting rechecked/paint reworked before hitting the lots... perhaps the ones I pictured were just in the 'learning curve' on the new model- hoping thats the case, should know soon...
anyways, I looked up the 2015 warranty details and by the ford site pdf, only paint mention I saw was this:
is there another section referring to paint adhesion on mustang? does the whole ford lineup (including mustang) get 5 yr adhesion warranty? (hope so- especially due to the little fender blister pictured on the red 15 fastback).
any clarification on Fords paint adhesion warranty greatly appreciated- if its got 5 years now like F150, I'll be the happiest ford guy around, as it says they are on it, and confident they have it under control finally
thanks, tim
I just found out, they upped 2015 F150 to 5 years on paint adhesion, its listed on the fleet.ford site... I wrote ford to apologize- if they are standing behind F150 for 5 years, I'm pretty sure the ugly pictures from the auto show I sent them likely did get back to the plant- as they needed to do better-- i'm expecting next time I check one out, it might be worlds better- hope so, my best friend just bought one yesterday- I havent checked it over yet, but will
If ford has the confidence to stand behind them 5 yrs, my worries are eased a lot- also talked to a guy in Detroit area, who said scores of F150s were getting rechecked/paint reworked before hitting the lots... perhaps the ones I pictured were just in the 'learning curve' on the new model- hoping thats the case, should know soon...anyways, I looked up the 2015 warranty details and by the ford site pdf, only paint mention I saw was this:
(3) Your vehicle’s body sheet metal panels are covered for an extended
Corrosion Coverage Period, which lasts for five years, regardless of miles
driven. The extended warranty coverage only applies if a body sheet metal
panel becomes perforated due to corrosion during normal use due to a
manufacturing defect in factory-supplied materials or factory workmanship.
For damage caused by airborne material (environmental fallout) where
there is no factory-related defect involved and therefore no warranty − our
policy is to provide free repair of paint damage due to the airborne
material for 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
Corrosion Coverage Period, which lasts for five years, regardless of miles
driven. The extended warranty coverage only applies if a body sheet metal
panel becomes perforated due to corrosion during normal use due to a
manufacturing defect in factory-supplied materials or factory workmanship.
For damage caused by airborne material (environmental fallout) where
there is no factory-related defect involved and therefore no warranty − our
policy is to provide free repair of paint damage due to the airborne
material for 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
any clarification on Fords paint adhesion warranty greatly appreciated- if its got 5 years now like F150, I'll be the happiest ford guy around, as it says they are on it, and confident they have it under control finally
thanks, tim
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question for Deysha- what is the paint adhesion warranty on 2015 Mustang?
I just found out, they upped 2015 F150 to 5 years on paint adhesion, its listed on the fleet.ford site... I wrote ford to apologize- if they are standing behind F150 for 5 years, I'm pretty sure the ugly pictures from the auto show I sent them likely did get back to the plant- as they needed to do better-- i'm expecting next time I check one out, it might be worlds better- hope so, my best friend just bought one yesterday- I havent checked it over yet, but will If ford has the confidence to stand behind them 5 yrs, my worries are eased a lot- also talked to a guy in Detroit area, who said scores of F150s were getting rechecked/paint reworked before hitting the lots... perhaps the ones I pictured were just in the 'learning curve' on the new model- hoping thats the case, should know soon...
anyways, I looked up the 2015 warranty details and by the ford site pdf, only paint mention I saw was this:
is there another section referring to paint adhesion on mustang? does the whole ford lineup (including mustang) get 5 yr adhesion warranty? (hope so- especially due to the little fender blister pictured on the red 15 fastback).
any clarification on Fords paint adhesion warranty greatly appreciated- if its got 5 years now like F150, I'll be the happiest ford guy around, as it says they are on it, and confident they have it under control finally
thanks, tim
I just found out, they upped 2015 F150 to 5 years on paint adhesion, its listed on the fleet.ford site... I wrote ford to apologize- if they are standing behind F150 for 5 years, I'm pretty sure the ugly pictures from the auto show I sent them likely did get back to the plant- as they needed to do better-- i'm expecting next time I check one out, it might be worlds better- hope so, my best friend just bought one yesterday- I havent checked it over yet, but will
If ford has the confidence to stand behind them 5 yrs, my worries are eased a lot- also talked to a guy in Detroit area, who said scores of F150s were getting rechecked/paint reworked before hitting the lots... perhaps the ones I pictured were just in the 'learning curve' on the new model- hoping thats the case, should know soon...anyways, I looked up the 2015 warranty details and by the ford site pdf, only paint mention I saw was this:
is there another section referring to paint adhesion on mustang? does the whole ford lineup (including mustang) get 5 yr adhesion warranty? (hope so- especially due to the little fender blister pictured on the red 15 fastback).
any clarification on Fords paint adhesion warranty greatly appreciated- if its got 5 years now like F150, I'll be the happiest ford guy around, as it says they are on it, and confident they have it under control finally
thanks, tim
Bumper to Bumper: 3 years / 36,000 miles
Powertrain: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Safety Restraint System: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Corrosion (Perforation only): 5 years / Unlimited miles
Roadside Assistance Program: 5 years / 60,000 miles
I’m researching the details on the F-150 new warranties or you.
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Deysha,
Is it possible the hood is made out of aluminum instead of steel. While at my dealer today to sit in a premium GT while awaiting mine to be built I lifted the hood and it seemed very light for the size and length of it. That could explain the adhesion issue mentioned above.
Is it possible the hood is made out of aluminum instead of steel. While at my dealer today to sit in a premium GT while awaiting mine to be built I lifted the hood and it seemed very light for the size and length of it. That could explain the adhesion issue mentioned above.
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Deysha,
Is it possible the hood is made out of aluminum instead of steel. While at my dealer today to sit in a premium GT while awaiting mine to be built I lifted the hood and it seemed very light for the size and length of it. That could explain the adhesion issue mentioned above.
Is it possible the hood is made out of aluminum instead of steel. While at my dealer today to sit in a premium GT while awaiting mine to be built I lifted the hood and it seemed very light for the size and length of it. That could explain the adhesion issue mentioned above.
Deysha
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That logic does not make sense to me.
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I have had my 2015 for almost 6 months. There is no blistering on the hood like I had on my 2010. The car has been a daily driver, having gone through winter conditions. It looks the same as the day as I bought in back in November.
Based on what I was told last year, and what I am seeing, I believe this will not be an issue on the new car.
Based on what I was told last year, and what I am seeing, I believe this will not be an issue on the new car.
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Then consider yourself as fortunate at this point, however the majority of S550 owners have already noticed paint blistering from underneath their hoods..
As far as I'm concerned, Ford should had addressed this issue nearly 10 years ago with the S197 rather than throw it underneath the rug as though they could care less..
With that being said ! Fast forward 10 years later and Ford still has not taken any steps whatsoever to address the paint blistering issues but rather continue to ignore their customers concerns by throwing it under the rug once again despite the fact that Ford has been fully aware of the problem for quite sometime..
IMHO ! This is totally unacceptable in which there is no excuse, as customers such as yourself and many others deserve much better in overall customer satisfaction from an auto manufacturer, especially when it concerns an acknowledged defect in one of their products
As far as I'm concerned, Ford should had addressed this issue nearly 10 years ago with the S197 rather than throw it underneath the rug as though they could care less..
With that being said ! Fast forward 10 years later and Ford still has not taken any steps whatsoever to address the paint blistering issues but rather continue to ignore their customers concerns by throwing it under the rug once again despite the fact that Ford has been fully aware of the problem for quite sometime..
IMHO ! This is totally unacceptable in which there is no excuse, as customers such as yourself and many others deserve much better in overall customer satisfaction from an auto manufacturer, especially when it concerns an acknowledged defect in one of their products
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This is one example and here are 2 others !
got to see quite a few new mustangs at the Cleveland auto show yesterday, hoods definitely better than last years show- only the blue one had what looked like the old bubbling beginning, and it was at a back corner- the front seams were definitely better, didnt see any missed/holes like last year.
did see one other spot that looked/felt just like the initial bubbling on my hoods- but on a fender of a red mustang...small area, but looked just like the old hood issue before it blossomed
one thing that i really disliked- the quarter panel seams under the trunklid on the fastbacks were all nice- but on both convertibles displayed, both sides looked like bird crap, but messier. pretty obvious whoever was on the 'vert line dont care much as to what their work looks like... truly a shame they painted over that mess rather than smooth it out at least a little bit. only put a pic of the blue one, the other was too much glare, but was every bit as sloppy.
I'd rate seam/sealing/paint best this year on Scion, followed by hyundai and volvo. Ford definitely was the worst, only one I saw on display without at least a few WTF areas was a F350 duallie- obviously not from the messy F150 line, the dually was about perfect. I'll toss some aluminum F150 pics in too- boy, the bubbled up area around that bolt on that military grade aluminum fender looks/feels just like a blistering mustang hood... and the last pic with dirt/sharp edges felt a lot like the sharp areas around the hems on my mustang hoods where the corrosion started...hmm
did see one other spot that looked/felt just like the initial bubbling on my hoods- but on a fender of a red mustang...small area, but looked just like the old hood issue before it blossomed
one thing that i really disliked- the quarter panel seams under the trunklid on the fastbacks were all nice- but on both convertibles displayed, both sides looked like bird crap, but messier. pretty obvious whoever was on the 'vert line dont care much as to what their work looks like... truly a shame they painted over that mess rather than smooth it out at least a little bit. only put a pic of the blue one, the other was too much glare, but was every bit as sloppy.
I'd rate seam/sealing/paint best this year on Scion, followed by hyundai and volvo. Ford definitely was the worst, only one I saw on display without at least a few WTF areas was a F350 duallie- obviously not from the messy F150 line, the dually was about perfect. I'll toss some aluminum F150 pics in too- boy, the bubbled up area around that bolt on that military grade aluminum fender looks/feels just like a blistering mustang hood... and the last pic with dirt/sharp edges felt a lot like the sharp areas around the hems on my mustang hoods where the corrosion started...hmm
couple more pics of the aluminum F150- this was drivers door on a $60k King Ranch... Y shaped crack in the inner panel? Ford guy I showed it to agreed, said something along the lines of 'son of a gun, yeah its cracked...theyre still learning on this aluminum' also same area had what looked like dirt under the paint, a pinhole in the sealer...just not nice as it could and should be
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I understand the possibility exists that something could develop, but as I've mentioned before, someone who works at Flat Rock had said there were changes in both the materials and the process for the new Mustang. I looked at many of the pre-production cars, and each one of them I saw also did not have the bubbling.
I am definitely very familiar with the issue, as it was quite apparent on my 2010 GT. The initial signs of it started probably about 6-8 months into ownership, and the bubbling increased for another 2 years or so after. The paint remained unbroken, so I never had it corrected.
I'll certainly post up here if I see something develop.
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And if this was something that was affecting many owners, I expect to see a higher number of posts on the Mustang6g.com forum. Folks there have called out other issues, but not this one. That's why I would not characterize this as something being experienced by "most" S550 owners. There is a higher population of participants there than here.
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And if this was something that was affecting many owners, I expect to see a higher number of posts on the Mustang6g.com forum. Folks there have called out other issues, but not this one. That's why I would not characterize this as something being experienced by "most" S550 owners. There is a higher population of participants there than here.
As for the 2015's shown earlier in this thread, the condition of those seams is unacceptable, and I would not take the car/truck, for delivery. I would also call out a dealer who would send a car like that to a show, to include all the water spots. He needs to find out who approved the vehicle(s) for display and send him back to management class 101.
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There aren't any photos associated with these posts, at least in this thread. I previously had read them, but it doesn't convince me at this time the same issue exists. Each of these appears to be a paint flaw but not in the same manner.
I understand the possibility exists that something could develop, but as I've mentioned before, someone who works at Flat Rock had said there were changes in both the materials and the process for the new Mustang. I looked at many of the pre-production cars, and each one of them I saw also did not have the bubbling.
I am definitely very familiar with the issue, as it was quite apparent on my 2010 GT. The initial signs of it started probably about 6-8 months into ownership, and the bubbling increased for another 2 years or so after. The pain remained unbroken, so I never had it corrected.
I'll certainly post up here if I see something develop.
I understand the possibility exists that something could develop, but as I've mentioned before, someone who works at Flat Rock had said there were changes in both the materials and the process for the new Mustang. I looked at many of the pre-production cars, and each one of them I saw also did not have the bubbling.
I am definitely very familiar with the issue, as it was quite apparent on my 2010 GT. The initial signs of it started probably about 6-8 months into ownership, and the bubbling increased for another 2 years or so after. The pain remained unbroken, so I never had it corrected.
I'll certainly post up here if I see something develop.
So for your sake and many of the other new S550 owners on here and on other sites, lets just hope that Ford has finally corrected the issue once and for all.. However I still stand by my previous post and until I see actual long term evidence ? I won't be convinced, as Ford should had corrected the paint defect issues during the S197 generation and not waited until over 10 years before finally addressing and actually doing something about it..
At any rate, my apologies for misinterpreting any of the previous posts in this thread as it was never my intention to post any inaccurate info nor attempt to mislead anyone in anyway..
In the meantime, I'll definitely post anything that may develop in the upcoming months as well.. As I'll be seeing plenty of new S550 models as car cruise season is about ready to start up once again
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As for the 2015's shown earlier in this thread, the condition of those seams is unacceptable, and I would not take the car/truck, for delivery. I would also call out a dealer who would send a car like that to a show, to include all the water spots. He needs to find out who approved the vehicle(s) for display and send him back to management class 101.
and could not had said it any better myself, John 
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So for your sake and many of the other new S550 owners on here and on other sites, lets just hope that Ford has finally corrected the issue once and for all.. However I still stand by my previous post and until I see actual long term evidence ? I won't be convinced, as Ford should had corrected the paint defect issues during the S197 generation and not waited until over 10 years before finally addressing and actually doing something about it..
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When I cleaned the car the other day, I noticed a material between the top seam and the bottom hood piece, which was not present on my 2011. It appears sandwiched in between the two pieces of metal.
Now, on our 2015 Jeep Cherokee, it appears a similar material was used, but it is on top of all the seams, so you cannot see the metal end where it folds over. It is painted and gives a very smooth, finished appearance to the visible seams.
I am not sure if this material is what Ford used, but it seems Ford is trying to insulate the two metals. In any event, all of my seams and joints are very smooth, and well finished. I have an early build EB, from Oct 2014, purchased in Nov 2014.
It would be interesting to know if early build cars have better finish in this area, since the assembly line was moving slower as it ramped up.
Now, on our 2015 Jeep Cherokee, it appears a similar material was used, but it is on top of all the seams, so you cannot see the metal end where it folds over. It is painted and gives a very smooth, finished appearance to the visible seams.
I am not sure if this material is what Ford used, but it seems Ford is trying to insulate the two metals. In any event, all of my seams and joints are very smooth, and well finished. I have an early build EB, from Oct 2014, purchased in Nov 2014.
It would be interesting to know if early build cars have better finish in this area, since the assembly line was moving slower as it ramped up.
I was at a Ford dealer today getting a part and worked my way over to the show room afterwards. I did notice the same thing regarding a strip of material where the seams are. The seams all look clean and smooth with a solid coat of paint. Trunk looks the same. It definitely looks like Ford has done something to try to correct this issue. For the new S550 owners, hopefully this is it! Time will tell.