Ford Mustang sales Leap ahead of other sporty cars
4/7/15, 07:44 AM
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LOL...the 5900 didn't but the ones staying away may know!
As an aside, basing the car on the Cadillac ATS platform and shoehorning the 6.2L V8 in there may be good for Cadillac (a 6.2L ATS someday?) but I think it may harm Camaro sales further...we shall see.
As an aside, basing the car on the Cadillac ATS platform and shoehorning the 6.2L V8 in there may be good for Cadillac (a 6.2L ATS someday?) but I think it may harm Camaro sales further...we shall see.
4/7/15, 07:53 AM
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If the new Camaro is 200lb lighter, guess what...it'll be about the same as the S550 then. The current Camaro and GT are pretty much on par with each other, so yes that drop in weight and slight hp bump may put the Camaro back out in front with the R/T SP, but Ford won't just sit around. 2017 refresh will have a power bump, guaranteed. 2016 Mustang will bring back some of the cosmetic packages and the GT350. 2017 will bring the hammer. Watch and see... 
4/7/15, 08:02 AM
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That's the thing, the new Mustang is all new and is still slower than the Scat Pack Challenger. The GT350 will cost a lot more than a $37,XXX Scat Pack too so they're not even comparable models. It's too bad Ford blew it's chance to come out on top for performance with the introduction of their new car. It is disappointing when straight line performace is so important to many buyers in this car segment. Don't get me wrong, the new Mustang is a great overall car, I just wish the GT was faster.
Knowing that the S550 GT with the PP laps the road course at similar times as the track oriented Boss 302 was just as jaw dropping for me as finding out a 2013 GT 5.0L blows the S550 GT's doors off in the quarter.
4/7/15, 11:03 AM
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I understand your point but Ford seemed to put a lot of emphasis at the launch events on handling and road course speed as opposed to drag racing times. It shows in the twisties on everday roads. The Challenger (and Charger) seem to be all about making fast trap speeds but according to Motorweek's reviews they handle rather squirrely. I know that the USA buyer is all fixated on drag race times but, in my opinion, Ford is trying to move into track speed. Seems more mature. Knowing that the S550 GT with the PP laps the road course at similar times as the track oriented Boss 302 was just as jaw dropping for me as finding out a 2013 GT 5.0L blows the S550 GT's doors off in the quarter.
4/7/15, 02:27 PM
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4/7/15, 10:12 PM
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That's the thing, the new Mustang is all new and is still slower than the Scat Pack Challenger. The GT350 will cost a lot more than a $37,XXX Scat Pack too so they're not even comparable models. It's too bad Ford blew it's chance to come out on top for performance with the introduction of their new car. It is disappointing when straight line performace is so important to many buyers in this car segment. Don't get me wrong, the new Mustang is a great overall car, I just wish the GT was faster.
Also bear in mind that straight line performance is only important to just 1/4 of Mustang buyers as Ford's main objective is to make money from cars that appeal to the masses and not by catering to just a select few !
4/8/15, 04:13 AM
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Drag racing is no small matter for the Mustang, easily the most dominant form of racing people are involved in on and off the track. Chances are if somebody is buying a GT they are going drag racing. I suspect people buying the EB will predominantly go for ride and handling and the sixxer crowd if you want to paint a broad label is going in for the looks and the ride.
And even if drag racers account for 25% of all Mustang buyers that's still a good amount and not something to ignore as Ford has repeatedly demonstrated. Right out of the gate FRPP released upgraded half-shafts and an upgraded rear sub-frame, not because the road course guys were going to have a problem with half shafts and a sub-frame getting all squirrely - those items are there so the guy strapping on a set of slicks doesn't blow the rear end out.
Ford's nod to the road course guys is baked in the basic car and with the performance pack but even with that the Mustang as a average guy hardcore driver's car isn't quite were it needs to be. The zeta chassis in 1LE form is still a step above the GT in performance pack form so Ford has room to improve.
Anyways I've seen all this before, remember when the F5 showed up and the 4th Gen F-body guys were complaining about refinement over raw performance. Thats largely died down and the nutswingers in the bow-tie camp don't seem to mind to much.
And even if drag racers account for 25% of all Mustang buyers that's still a good amount and not something to ignore as Ford has repeatedly demonstrated. Right out of the gate FRPP released upgraded half-shafts and an upgraded rear sub-frame, not because the road course guys were going to have a problem with half shafts and a sub-frame getting all squirrely - those items are there so the guy strapping on a set of slicks doesn't blow the rear end out.
Ford's nod to the road course guys is baked in the basic car and with the performance pack but even with that the Mustang as a average guy hardcore driver's car isn't quite were it needs to be. The zeta chassis in 1LE form is still a step above the GT in performance pack form so Ford has room to improve.
Anyways I've seen all this before, remember when the F5 showed up and the 4th Gen F-body guys were complaining about refinement over raw performance. Thats largely died down and the nutswingers in the bow-tie camp don't seem to mind to much.
4/8/15, 12:14 PM
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Quit insulting HotWheels!!!!! 
4/8/15, 05:11 PM
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The Camaro has all new sheetmetal, it isn't just slapped onto a new chassis. It looks boring however. Just like how Chevy screwed up the Malibu's styling the last time around.
Maybe the 5.0 will get DI next year? Ford will keep the Mustang competitive/on top.
Maybe the 5.0 will get DI next year? Ford will keep the Mustang competitive/on top.
4/8/15, 06:32 PM
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The camaro will be back with a vengeance, I think it will be pretty sick with that 450-460hp motor, weight similar to mustang, and a platform that we know can perform.
Now we need Dodge to make an amazing 2018 Challenger model , and put a 6.4 with few improvements for a 500HP motor in the R/T and replace the 5.7.
Now we need Dodge to make an amazing 2018 Challenger model , and put a 6.4 with few improvements for a 500HP motor in the R/T and replace the 5.7.
4/8/15, 06:48 PM
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take a good look at the latest spy photos without the camo and it pretty much looks like the outgoing 2015 with the exception of a slightly shorter wheelbase, lower roof and some minor tweaks in the front/rear fascia.. Other than that, the basic overall shape remains un-changed including that hideous rear glass which continues to cause the same old blind spots as the current model 
4/8/15, 07:20 PM
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Drag racing is no small matter for the Mustang, easily the most dominant form of racing people are involved in on and off the track. Chances are if somebody is buying a GT they are going drag racing. I suspect people buying the EB will predominantly go for ride and handling and the sixxer crowd if you want to paint a broad label is going in for the looks and the ride.
And even if drag racers account for 25% of all Mustang buyers that's still a good amount and not something to ignore as Ford has repeatedly demonstrated. Right out of the gate FRPP released upgraded half-shafts and an upgraded rear sub-frame, not because the road course guys were going to have a problem with half shafts and a sub-frame getting all squirrely - those items are there so the guy strapping on a set of slicks doesn't blow the rear end out.
Ford's nod to the road course guys is baked in the basic car and with the performance pack but even with that the Mustang as a average guy hardcore driver's car isn't quite were it needs to be. The zeta chassis in 1LE form is still a step above the GT in performance pack form so Ford has room to improve.
Anyways I've seen all this before, remember when the F5 showed up and the 4th Gen F-body guys were complaining about refinement over raw performance. Thats largely died down and the nutswingers in the bow-tie camp don't seem to mind to much.
And even if drag racers account for 25% of all Mustang buyers that's still a good amount and not something to ignore as Ford has repeatedly demonstrated. Right out of the gate FRPP released upgraded half-shafts and an upgraded rear sub-frame, not because the road course guys were going to have a problem with half shafts and a sub-frame getting all squirrely - those items are there so the guy strapping on a set of slicks doesn't blow the rear end out.
Ford's nod to the road course guys is baked in the basic car and with the performance pack but even with that the Mustang as a average guy hardcore driver's car isn't quite were it needs to be. The zeta chassis in 1LE form is still a step above the GT in performance pack form so Ford has room to improve.
Anyways I've seen all this before, remember when the F5 showed up and the 4th Gen F-body guys were complaining about refinement over raw performance. Thats largely died down and the nutswingers in the bow-tie camp don't seem to mind to much.
The same however can't be said for the Camaro and especially for the Challenger as they remain based in the North American market..
At any rate, I may not agree with Ford's reasoning but never the less, it is what it is
4/8/15, 07:46 PM
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I'm not saying that I disagree, however as I previously mentioned, now that Ford is marketing the Mustang globally, they're also looking to expand their customer base outside of North America by appealing to the European market and not just here in the U.S anymore..
The same however can't be said for the Camaro and especially for the Challenger as they remain based in the North American market..
At any rate, I may not agree with Ford's reasoning but never the less, it is what it is
The same however can't be said for the Camaro and especially for the Challenger as they remain based in the North American market..
At any rate, I may not agree with Ford's reasoning but never the less, it is what it is
4/8/15, 08:19 PM
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and maybe it's just me, but from those latest spy photos, it almost seems like the Camaro has a similar looking built in ducktail spoiler as the Mustang now has
4/9/15, 02:53 PM
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People who feel their Mustang GT is not fast enough will just add a supercharger. A good number of people who buy Mustangs want a car that is compatible with aftermarket performance enhancers like superchargers and turbos. Ford builds the Mustang so it will accept performance upgrades and still function well. The Mustang has a nice design and a beautiful interior that will win over buyers. The Mustang should continue to sell well for at least the next couple of years.
4/10/15, 06:11 AM
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I heard about that too, but I haven't seen any confirmation from GM as of yet.. But I definitely agree about those tail lights and maybe it's just me, but from those latest spy photos, it almost seems like the Camaro has a similar looking built in ducktail spoiler as the Mustang now has
and maybe it's just me, but from those latest spy photos, it almost seems like the Camaro has a similar looking built in ducktail spoiler as the Mustang now has
4/10/15, 07:23 AM
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