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Old 1/13/10, 04:23 PM
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This has me scared. I don't want to end up like camaro with it's zeta platform beer gut

I hope the platform is adjusted to fit the falcon, rather than the other way around
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
GM have proved that whilst Zeta is flexible, it's also meant that the smallest car on the platform, the Camaro, is also pretty heavy.
I am shocked nobody has realized why the camaro is so heavy. The corvette weighs 3300 lbs with a 430hp engine. If the camaro was the same weight as the mustang then it would be impeding its performance onto the corvette and Chevy doesn't want that. The camaro uses a 426 hp engine which is too close to the corvette. Now granted the corvette is a two seat sports coupe that does change what these 2 cars were made for.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri
Thanks for posting Falc'man! Good news on both sides of the pond!
Unless its a super fat pig (which is saying alot from a guy how has a fat pig of a Mustang), the current iron block GT500 should be about as heavy as Mustang gets. I'm all for a D2C based Falcon rather than a GM (ala' Comodore) one size fits all inpsired GRWD platform.

If Ford is going to go with a full size platform and scale it down to Mustang size using conventional materials it will pack on weight.

I fully expect GM's Z/28 to blast right past the 2 on mark by one hundred or so pounds.
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I'm just thinkin out loud here, but the question before was what would the next gen GT500 engine be..
well.. if the platform is merging to an updated D2C (D2C2...sounds like a star wars droid)

then...

They'll have to support the same engine configs... and if the land down under was getting a supercharged 5L variant, then... maybe that could be the road they are going down.

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Originally Posted by Boomer
I'm just thinkin out loud here, but the question before was what would the next gen GT500 engine be..
well.. if the platform is merging to an updated D2C (D2C2...sounds like a star wars droid)

then...

They'll have to support the same engine configs... and if the land down under was getting a supercharged 5L variant, than... maybe that could be the road they are going down.
I was thinking the same.
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
Sounds like good news, although I hope the next platform is design primarily for the Mustang and then others spun off it. GM have proved that whilst Zeta is flexible, it's also meant that the smallest car on the platform, the Camaro, is also pretty heavy.
One thing going for us here is that GRWD would/will be designed for Mustang from the get-go, wheras Zeta was never originally intended for anything Camaro-sized. There also seems to be a decent possibility that Falcon will downsize slightly with a Taurus-based large FWD/AWD sedan slotting above it.
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If I could afford it, I'd love to have a V8, RWD Falcon sedan, for the work week, along with a 425HP+ 5.0, 3200lb Mustang, for the weekends, parked side-by-side in the garage. How nice that would be...
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I'm just thinkin out loud here, but the question before was what would the next gen GT500 engine be..
well.. if the platform is merging to an updated D2C (D2C2...sounds like a star wars droid)

then...

They'll have to support the same engine configs... and if the land down under was getting a supercharged 5L variant, then... maybe that could be the road they are going down.
Originally Posted by jsaylor
I was thinking the same.
I'd say inevitable as the coyote was built with supercharging in mind (sans rods and pistons of course).
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Yes, in several months, as you know Booms, there'll be a blown Coyote available in the Falcon.

As for size, the platform would be shared (and can be stretched for LWB models), but it's the top hat that will be unique to each model.
There's a good chance Falcon would be slightly reduced in size, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Falc'man
Yes, in several months, as you know Booms, there'll be a blown Coyote available in the Falcon.

As for size, the platform would be shared (and can be stretched for LWB models), but it's the top hat that will be unique to each model.
There's a good chance Falcon would be slightly reduced in size, anyway.
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[quote=Boomer;5798355]I'm just thinkin out loud here, but the question before was what would the next gen GT500 engine be..
well.. if the platform is merging to an updated D2C (D2C2...sounds like a star wars droid)


N/M ...

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Originally Posted by MARZ
lol, yes. Did you hear about Hollywood?



We are about 18 months away from knowing for sure how this will pan out, but below is another article worth posting for the obvious reasons.

http://wheelsmagazine.com.au/wheels/...late=domWheels

Next-gen Aussie icon won't be Australia's own


Sean Poppitt | January 1, 2010
"Ford Australia will never again go it alone." And so Ford Australia president Marin Burela confirmed that the FG will be the last Falcon designed, engineered and built exclusively for Australia.


The Falcon will live on, but not as we know it.

Under FoMoCo’s ‘One Ford’ strategy - which is focussed on developing global platforms which are then tailored for different markets around the world – pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into developing a stand-alone Falcon for Australia “makes no sense”, according to Burela. Instead, it’s likely a single large-car platform will be developed and farmed out across the sprawling Blue Oval empire.

Speaking to Wheels in a snow-blanketed and arctic-cold Detroit, Ford’s CEO Alan Mullaly echoed Burela’s words. “Would we [build a car just for Australia]? No, I don’t think so. [Car manufacturers] who make one vehicle - a different vehicle – for just one country, I think those days are gone, because you can't compete with the global companies.”

So the question is: what becomes of Falcon? Burela confirmed the next all-new Falcon will surface in 2015 and that the nameplate will live on in Australia. The next-gen Falcon will also retain the current car’s basic size and dimensions, but because the Falcon needs to integrate into the global Ford community, and potentially become just one variant built on a platform sold in several world markets, the DNA of the next Falcon is unclear. According to Ford, not even they know. But the glory days of rear-wheel drive are looking shaky.

“We have several options,” said Burela. “The new car won’t arrive until 2015 and we don’t have to make a decision on Falcon until 2011. Do we go front-wheel drive, all-wheel drive or stick with rear drive? These are the questions we’re asking and we’re in the early stages of intensive market research into those questions. But let me say this: Ford Australia will have extensive input into whatever car is choosen and we will deliver the car that Australians want and need.”

But RWD isn’t off the table just yet. Alan Mullaly also outlined the possibility of twinning development of the next Falcon with Ford’s rear drive muscle car: the Mustang. "You know, we’ve got some really good RWDs, too, like the Mustang. Can you imagine another new platform, just like the Falcon, that's going to be RWD for Mustang? So you can imagine driving One Ford we're going to have one of those, and there's no reason why we can't have it in Australia."

But uncertainty over Falcon’s future also casts a shadow over the future of Ford Australia continuing to build cars in this country. Ford has done much to strengthen its position since 2008, having streamlined local production and purchasing and taking into account the additional volume that will be created by the four-cylinder Falcon and diesel-powered Territory in 2011. But despite Falcon’s overall sales and market share actually growing during last year’s GFC-savaged roller-coaster ride, there can be no guarantee that the next Falcon will be built in Australia.

It will require a huge investment from Ford HQ to re-tool Australian factories for the next-generation Falcon, and with a low-cost manufacturing base in Thailand available to FoMoCo, questions marks linger over Broadmeadows. Building around 55,000 cars last year, volumes for Ford Oz are low and Australia is a relatively high-cost manufacturing base. It must be proven that the Falcon can be built profitably and that Ford Australia itself can return to profitability. The company posted a $274 loss in 2008, although Burela is confident of returning to profitability within the next three years. Ultimately, however, the decision will be made in the boardrooms of Ford HQ in Detroit.

Burela, on the other hand, was quick to hose down speculation: “You’re asking me to guarantee something that’s five years away. Frankly, that’s impossible, but the ‘One Ford’ strategy doesn’t include any immediate plans to stop building cars in Australia. We invested $230 million into our local operations last year and we have the Ecoboost Falcon and diesel Territory coming on-stream in 2011 - does that sound like the actions of a company that’s getting ready to turn off the lights?”
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Originally Posted by Falc'man
lol, yes. Did you hear about Hollywood?

Hollywood's dead. Long live the Miami.



We are about 18 months away from knowing for sure how this will pan out, but below is another article worth posting for the obvious reasons.
N/M ...

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Originally Posted by MARZ
N/M ...
Sanity prevailed. It would have meant losing the ZF, too.
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I'm just thinkin out loud here, but the question before was what would the next gen GT500 engine be..
well.. if the platform is merging to an updated D2C (D2C2...sounds like a star wars droid)

then...

They'll have to support the same engine configs... and if the land down under was getting a supercharged 5L variant, then... maybe that could be the road they are going down.
Good call, Boomer. I'm going to remember this post in a couple of years, and necro-thread it when it happens.
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I'm just thinking out loud.

Originally the Auzzie designated 5L was meant for only them, but for consolidation purposes especially if its the same platform, I could see that changing.
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its seems plausible they will design the platform for the mustang in 2014 then let the aussies strech it a few inches in the middle and add 2 extra doors for their 2015 car. they could still build the falcon variant in their own plants but take advantage of the shared sourcing and design synergies for most of the platform components.
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Instead of trying to make one RWD platform that covers the range from Mustang (which we'd like to see lose some weight) to large sedans, I think Ford should have two platforms. The Falcon chassis could be shared with a future Lincoln sports sedan. The Mustang could share a chassis with the next-generation Mazda RX-8, which by all accounts is a pretty **** nimble (if underpowered) car. They could also use this chassis to make a sporty Lincoln 2-seat convertible.
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Originally Posted by RandyW
Instead of trying to make one RWD platform that covers the range from Mustang (which we'd like to see lose some weight) to large sedans, I think Ford should have two platforms. The Falcon chassis could be shared with a future Lincoln sports sedan. The Mustang could share a chassis with the next-generation Mazda RX-8, which by all accounts is a pretty **** nimble (if underpowered) car. They could also use this chassis to make a sporty Lincoln 2-seat convertible.
Now that's a great idea!!!


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