4 door Mustang?
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Don't see why not & maybe it's time for the Taurus to go.. in the 80's Ford had least 9 different models based on the Fox body, and most of the were 4 door.
Mustang, Capri, Fairmont, Zephyr, Thunderbird, Cougar, Granada, LTD & Marquee (mid-side)
Taurus killed them all, but the Mustang survived.. Time for revenge
Mustang, Capri, Fairmont, Zephyr, Thunderbird, Cougar, Granada, LTD & Marquee (mid-side)
Taurus killed them all, but the Mustang survived.. Time for revenge
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My concern with the Mustang sharing platforms is the weight penalty that will almost be guaranteed to go along with it. The Mustang is hundreds of pounds lighter than the Challenger and Camaro that share platforms with sedans. I for one think it's pretty cool that Ford had the guts to finally give the Mustang it's own platform in 2005.
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I think the SHO ought to be based off of the smaller, lighter and more agile Fusion platform while the top dog Ford, and/or Lincoln, performance sedan ought to be a RWD platform presumably derived from the upcoming Stang. This would be especially true for a Lincoln sedan.
While Ford may be able to get away with a FWD/AWD platform for its more general market top sedan, Lincoln needs to set its standards much higher which, apologies to Audi, demands a RWD platform to help distinguish it and establish its upmarket bona fides.
While Ford may be able to get away with a FWD/AWD platform for its more general market top sedan, Lincoln needs to set its standards much higher which, apologies to Audi, demands a RWD platform to help distinguish it and establish its upmarket bona fides.
An example of what a Mustang-based four door could be like:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
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An example of what a Mustang-based four door could be like:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
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Originally Posted by rhumb
I think the SHO ought to be based off of the smaller, lighter and more agile Fusion platform while the top dog Ford, and/or Lincoln, performance sedan ought to be a RWD platform presumably derived from the upcoming Stang. This would be especially true for a Lincoln sedan.
While Ford may be able to get away with a FWD/AWD platform for its more general market top sedan, Lincoln needs to set its standards much higher which, apologies to Audi, demands a RWD platform to help distinguish it and establish its upmarket bona fides.
While Ford may be able to get away with a FWD/AWD platform for its more general market top sedan, Lincoln needs to set its standards much higher which, apologies to Audi, demands a RWD platform to help distinguish it and establish its upmarket bona fides.
I do agree the top sedan should be of RWD roots. I never understood why they couldn't have moved the Taurus to a RWD platform and went right after the 300 and Charger, along with the German full size sedans.
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An example of what a Mustang-based four door could be like:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/15/f...rged-gt-rspec/
Don't look too bad for those performance enthusiasts tasked with family-hauling duties too.
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A turbo 5.0 with only 450 hp???? I'm sure the torque is massive and helps with the additional weight, but 450? Really. Great looking car and I'm absolutely thinking about moving to 4 doors in the next couple of years, but you would think they could get nearly 450 out of an ecoboost v6.
It's blown.
This is one I prepared earlier, from this thread. https://themustangsource.com/f697/fp...dynoed-489057/
Long story short -
FPV quotes 335kW (450HP) for the blown Coyote (codename Miami).
They were referring to the power at the WHEELS! Read on!
Three weeks ago a local Ford-dedicated magazine, "Street Fords", had a
press car for a few days. Their first stop was the strip with a time of 12.92
@ 114MPH (2.1 60'). With the 120kg driver it tipped the scales at 4277lbs.
Traction was an issue.
They then took it to a performance workshop, threw it on the rollers to
record 353rwkw (473.9rwhp)!!!!
They were dumb-struck, off course, so they took it to another dyno the next
day. That reeled off 328rwkw (440rwhp). *Bare in mind, driveline loss is
more than what you're used to in the U.S.; it's (calculated to be) closer to
25% here in Oz.*
The internet arguments started - many were skeptical that this is pulling
over 550 flywheel hp with that Trap Speed.
UNTIL.... This morning, when another reputable workshop got the exact
result. No, not a press car, but a customer's. Bang on 325rwkw. Second run,
tightened down even harder, the GT's ecu pours more boost, fuel and timing
as more heat is detected. It pulled 333rwkw.
One of the skeptics was there.
He did the extra tightening.
He was gobsmacked.
This tuner explained why the MPH was down. The gear changes come with
heavy torque truncations, thus inhibiting the power during shifts down the
strip - obviously won't come into play on a dyno.
A very slight play with the SCT flasher resulted 355rwkw (over 600HP!!!). Not bad for a non-intercooled 1.9 tvs.
Hats off to Ford USA for designing a brilliant base for FPV to work off. Thank you!
/The intercooled version is on it's way
FPV quotes 335kW (450HP) for the blown Coyote (codename Miami).
They were referring to the power at the WHEELS! Read on!
Three weeks ago a local Ford-dedicated magazine, "Street Fords", had a
press car for a few days. Their first stop was the strip with a time of 12.92
@ 114MPH (2.1 60'). With the 120kg driver it tipped the scales at 4277lbs.
Traction was an issue.
They then took it to a performance workshop, threw it on the rollers to
record 353rwkw (473.9rwhp)!!!!
They were dumb-struck, off course, so they took it to another dyno the next
day. That reeled off 328rwkw (440rwhp). *Bare in mind, driveline loss is
more than what you're used to in the U.S.; it's (calculated to be) closer to
25% here in Oz.*
The internet arguments started - many were skeptical that this is pulling
over 550 flywheel hp with that Trap Speed.
UNTIL.... This morning, when another reputable workshop got the exact
result. No, not a press car, but a customer's. Bang on 325rwkw. Second run,
tightened down even harder, the GT's ecu pours more boost, fuel and timing
as more heat is detected. It pulled 333rwkw.
One of the skeptics was there.
He did the extra tightening.
He was gobsmacked.
This tuner explained why the MPH was down. The gear changes come with
heavy torque truncations, thus inhibiting the power during shifts down the
strip - obviously won't come into play on a dyno.
A very slight play with the SCT flasher resulted 355rwkw (over 600HP!!!). Not bad for a non-intercooled 1.9 tvs.
Hats off to Ford USA for designing a brilliant base for FPV to work off. Thank you!
/The intercooled version is on it's way
Edit: I must add that with a tune and filter only they're actually putting out almost 400rwkw. Also, a correction to what I said about the driveline loss, it's actually around the 20% region. So with a tune it's about 620hp at the fly.
Last edited by Falc'man; Aug 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM.
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Because the Taurus is a meant to be a mainstream high-volume family car not a sports sedan. For this market, FWD is better than RWD. The average Taurus driver is going to spend more time driving on snowy/icy roads than on a racetrack. The majority of TMS members may disagree with this but look at what is selling in high numbers. It's the Camry, not the BMW M3.
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Originally Posted by RandyW
Because the Taurus is a meant to be a mainstream high-volume family car not a sports sedan. For this market, FWD is better than RWD. The average Taurus driver is going to spend more time driving on snowy/icy roads than on a racetrack. The majority of TMS members may disagree with this but look at what is selling in high numbers. It's the Camry, not the BMW M3.
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Originally Posted by Overboost
I don't buy that at all. In metro Detroit, you see plenty of RWD vehicles, so the snow agreement seems weak. Besides, most people over the age of 35 learned to drive on a RWD vehicle, and with the starting price of a Taurus climbing above $30k, those are the people who are more likely to afford it. Last, when the Taurus came out, they marketed it against the A6, a RWD sedan. Seems a bit misplaced.
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Originally Posted by Ethanjbeau
Isn't the A6 AWD? And Audi doesn't do RWD. Aren't they all FWD platforms?
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Originally Posted by Overboost
I don't buy that at all. In metro Detroit, you see plenty of RWD vehicles, so the snow agreement seems weak. Besides, most people over the age of 35 learned to drive on a RWD vehicle, and with the starting price of a Taurus climbing above $30k, those are the people who are more likely to afford it. Last, when the Taurus came out, they marketed it against the A6, a RWD sedan. Seems a bit misplaced.
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You guys stop posting those Falcons!!! I want one soooooo Bad!
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Overboost, I'm not trying to persuade you that YOU should buy a FWD car. I'm just telling you what sells. Here's a list of the top ten best-selling family cars from 2011. All ten are FWD, although some may also be offered in AWD.
As enthusiasts, sure we'd like to see more high-performance RWD cars. More manual transmissions, too. But a product planner for a billion-dollar company has got to look at what the consumers are buying. Most consumers are not enthusiasts. They just want a comfortable, safe car to get them from point A to point B, with as much luxury as they can afford.
As enthusiasts, sure we'd like to see more high-performance RWD cars. More manual transmissions, too. But a product planner for a billion-dollar company has got to look at what the consumers are buying. Most consumers are not enthusiasts. They just want a comfortable, safe car to get them from point A to point B, with as much luxury as they can afford.
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when i was shopping for my current car (boston area so snowy winters), BMW sales ppl told me that 90%ish of the 328s, 528s, 535s go out the door as xdrive (AWD) models in snowy areas only the real enthusiasts want RWD. definitely more than half the 335s did as well. with how good the modern systems are its almost a no brainier vs RWD if you get snowy winters. with tech like the trick diff in my S4 the car behaves like RWD mid corner and you get AWD traction as you exit... best of both worlds for a performance daily driver. obviously the top end models sell as RWD (as they should)
That said if ford stretched the mustang platform for a ford/lincoln sedan variant they could probably add an AWD system as an option for volume models without too much work. I would definitely like to see a 662hp lincoln sedan with the GT500 brakes and suspension as well to go at the CTS-V and M cars. tho it seems lately that lincoln is going for soft cars rather than in the direction the LS looked like it was taking them.
That said if ford stretched the mustang platform for a ford/lincoln sedan variant they could probably add an AWD system as an option for volume models without too much work. I would definitely like to see a 662hp lincoln sedan with the GT500 brakes and suspension as well to go at the CTS-V and M cars. tho it seems lately that lincoln is going for soft cars rather than in the direction the LS looked like it was taking them.
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I'd love AWD as an option on the mustang, keep rwd but I think the option would increase sales in snowy areas as stated earlier with the BMWs personally I'm toying with buying a G37 coupe mostly because of the availability of RWD
