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Ford Racing = "aftermarket"
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So, Ford Racing isn't behind the GT500? That's interesting because we wouldn't have much in the way of any street performance vehicles if it were not for them. Just so you know: Ford Racing is/was behind the new V-6 Mustang, Mustang GT 5.0, Mustang Boss 302, Focus, GT500, Ford GT, Taurus ECO-Boost, Special Police Vehicle Program, and many other "street" cars, not just serialized race program vehicles. Just because it wasn't badged as "Ford Racing" doesn't mean they weren't directly behind its development. You have to look a little deeper than the obvious badges that are in plain view.....................
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So, Ford Racing isn't behind the GT500? That's interesting because we wouldn't have much in the way of any street performance vehicles if it were not for them. Just so you know: Ford Racing is/was behind the new V-6 Mustang, Mustang GT 5.0, Mustang Boss 302, Focus, GT500, Ford GT, Taurus ECO-Boost, Special Police Vehicle Program, and many other "street" cars, not just serialized race program vehicles. Just because it wasn't badged as "Ford Racing" doesn't mean they weren't directly behind its development. You have to look a little deeper than the obvious badges that are in plain view.....................
Ford Racing might make performance products for them, such as TracKey, but in the end, they aren't the major player in the vehicle or program development.
Please, do us all a favor and stop talking out your rear.
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Nope.
The Team Mustang engineers were the ones who took the lead on engineering the new GT and the Boss 302 street car. Ford powertrain engineers provided the 5.0Ls used in both those cars.
Ford Racing supports racing programs, and there might have been some racing engineering experience transferred to the Boss, but it was those engineers that did the track development. Yes, there is a "Ford Racing" plate on the Boss engine, but more than likely that is a marketing cross-link to the early engine intake development experience. It was a Ford powertrain engineer who refined the intake.
If you watch the Boss 302 TV special, read the Boss 302 book recently released or the 5.0 Mustang magazine articles about the 5.0L GT and Boss engines, and talk to the engineers who worked on the Boss and GT, it becomes apparent who had the more in-depth role in producing the car.
SVT used to have a more extensive engineering and marketing staff until after it was "reimagined" (read: downsized) back in 2004. There still exists a group of engineers who operate under that name. And those folks are the ones who were heavily involved in the GT500. And most likely, there involvement mainly involves things to do with the engine and drivetrain and suspension set-up.
Lastly, as PACETTR, who works in a Ford dealership and likely has more access to details than either of us do, mentions, you see the "Ford Racing" moniker on aftermarket products.
That's interesting because we wouldn't have much in the way of any street performance vehicles if it were not for them. Just so you know: Ford Racing is/was behind the new V-6 Mustang, Mustang GT 5.0, Mustang Boss 302, Focus, GT500, Ford GT, Taurus ECO-Boost, Special Police Vehicle Program, and many other "street" cars, not just serialized race program vehicles. Just because it wasn't badged as "Ford Racing" doesn't mean they weren't directly behind its development. You have to look a little deeper than the obvious badges that are in plain view.....................
Ford Racing supports racing programs, and there might have been some racing engineering experience transferred to the Boss, but it was those engineers that did the track development. Yes, there is a "Ford Racing" plate on the Boss engine, but more than likely that is a marketing cross-link to the early engine intake development experience. It was a Ford powertrain engineer who refined the intake.
If you watch the Boss 302 TV special, read the Boss 302 book recently released or the 5.0 Mustang magazine articles about the 5.0L GT and Boss engines, and talk to the engineers who worked on the Boss and GT, it becomes apparent who had the more in-depth role in producing the car.
SVT used to have a more extensive engineering and marketing staff until after it was "reimagined" (read: downsized) back in 2004. There still exists a group of engineers who operate under that name. And those folks are the ones who were heavily involved in the GT500. And most likely, there involvement mainly involves things to do with the engine and drivetrain and suspension set-up.
Lastly, as PACETTR, who works in a Ford dealership and likely has more access to details than either of us do, mentions, you see the "Ford Racing" moniker on aftermarket products.
Last edited by Tony Alonso; Oct 30, 2011 at 03:44 PM.
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So, Ford Racing isn't behind the GT500? That's interesting because we wouldn't have much in the way of any street performance vehicles if it were not for them. Just so you know: Ford Racing is/was behind the new V-6 Mustang, Mustang GT 5.0, Mustang Boss 302, Focus, GT500, Ford GT, Taurus ECO-Boost, Special Police Vehicle Program, and many other "street" cars, not just serialized race program vehicles. Just because it wasn't badged as "Ford Racing" doesn't mean they weren't directly behind its development. You have to look a little deeper than the obvious badges that are in plain view.....................
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Like this, from the way back machine?
Mustangs have been out-powered by the comptetion before and the upcoming rally from the Challenger/Camaro will be no different. Overall performance is what matters, as well as cost/appeal to the consumer. There are plenty of cars right now that out-power the Mustang GT. But what is the better seller? That's right, the Mustang. And more V-6's are sold than any other Mustang too. One out of every two convertibles sold is a Mustang! Many people want more power, but it can't keep going up and up. The new engine for the upcoming redesigned Mustang will have more power, but won't be in the 400-425hp range. That will be saved for a SE like the Mach 1 or Boss. Regular GT's will see 325-350hp is my guess. Mustang-the world's most successful sports car!
Ford already has something available now for the Challenger/Camaro. It's called the GT500. And you will get one competitively priced by the time these cars pose any threat to the Mustang. Ford is working on an SE for 2010MY (Mach 1,GT350), but the real kicker will be the Boss for 2011MY sporting the new lighter and improved chassis, not to mention the new 5.0 that everyone seems to want. This one may be pushing in the 400hp range, but GT's will be lower than that. The 5.4 liter (NA) is out as there's no real gain over the new 5.0, especially in the weight department. Ah, the future looks bright!
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I'm not, they don't want to screw sales of the current car by debuting the new changes too soon..... remember the 2010 GT and what happened to sales once they leaked the info on the upcoming 5.0.....sales tanked on 2010s
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If they do build a boss429, it won't be the old one, pretty as it was...the hurricane motor was designed to be 7 liter capable, and surely a DOHC 429 CID monster would even excite Jon Kaase 
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