I am certain this topic has been asked previously so forgive me in advance.

I am looking for a tuner. I have read the features up and down for both the SCT iTSX and the Diablosport InTune. I have heard that the Diablosport does't leave a trace of the tune but the SCT does. then I decide to do research on both the Diablo and SCT website. Ironically both claim not to leave a trace. Which is accurate?

Read "return back to stock"
http://www.sctflash.com/products.php?PID=65&VID=#2

Read "#13" under FAQ's
https://www.diablosport.com/products/intune.html

Are both of these companies full of it?


Thank you in advance for your support.

 

No, no trace of the tune remains.

What is registered in the pcm is an "event", from that, Ford has a procedure that follows a process of elimination to try and determine if the event was due to a tune being flashed.

But, they would only do that if a aftermarket tune is suspected to have caused the warranty issue.

 

Exactly. It leaves a flash count that cannot be reversed. They might not be able to see it at dealer level but for something major a field engineer will be called in and he will see the number of flash counts. If it doesn't match their records while it doesn't prove it was from a tune they will fight you on it and they will probably win.

 

This is correct.

There is no OBD mode that will show a flash count either.

-Matt

 

Of course ... you could go with the Steeda tune which has had 0 issues when it comes to the factory warranty.

You can reach me at tim@steeda.com if I can help you with the tuner & the tune.

Best Regards,

TJ

 

I'm going with the ford procal tuner!
It maintains a 3year 36,000 mi. Ford racing warranty!
I already talked to the dealer about it, you just have to get the tune installed at the dealer so they have record of it!
Not as aggressive of a tune as others but still a significant increase over stock for a relatively cheap price!
If you get the ford racing power pack through American muscle it costs $600 and comes with GT 500 mufflers, K&N drop in filter and a oil filter.
Plus you can get a forum discount!
It's what I'm ordering next week!

 

When the tech goes ahead and reads the PCM he will be able to read the counters there.

 

And now back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

Incorrect. IDS does not have access to any such functionality.

-Matt

 

Hey,


Both are great options, and either one will do you quite well. However, both will leave an encryption on the computer.


Essentially, when using a standard OBDII diagnostic tool, neither one of the tuner will leave a trace that tune was ever put on the car once set back to stock. However, Ford's and many other high end diagnostic machines can look into the cars computer history and see that the computer was tampered with. It really doesn't matter who you get the tune from or the tuner you purchase, they will all leave an encryption on the computer that Ford could detect.


I take it you are worried about voiding your warranty. If this is the case, the good news is that Ford would need to be able to prove without a doubt the tune was the route of the problem before denying any warranty claim. From personal experience, many Ford dealers don't honestly look that deep into it, and many of the tunes have been proven safe to run.


I hope this helps, and if you have any questions, feel free to get back in touch. Good luck!


-Dan

 

lol....

 

Actually there is but keep thinking differently Matt.
Good to know.
Keep spreading your nonsense there Matt.
Try explaining that to Matt.

 

Why come over the top like that? It's clear you lack any kind of diplomacy. Do you get your jollies by putting people down? Did your parents not love you enough as a child?

 

Just setting the record straight. You're going to have to grow a thick skin if you're going to last.

 

So glad you took it upon yourself to "set the record straight" for everyone. Did you have to apply for that job or did you also take that upon yourself too?

 

Bloody hell.....

What OBD mode shows this magic counter? 9?

How can the tech see this magic counter in IDS? Tell me exactly what screen he can see it on...

Ohh, and how many ECU's have you designed in your lifetime? Its what I do for a living. See my other work here (link below), and all what I have contributed to the community on my OWN FREE TIME.

https://themustangsource.com/f803/13...etrofit-514651

Describe to me how the RTOS works inside the PCM, or the J- protocol used to establish DIAG DEVICE connectivity to the ECU. Location of the MAF transfer function in Green OAK pcm? Hell if you could just tell me the address of the ECU programming interface I would be impressed.

If your gonna step up, step up.

What really pisses me off, is people who troll the forums, but cant back their statements up. I want to educate people on factual information, and I have the knowledge to back my statements up.


lol....

Cheers guys.
-Matt

 

With the new CAN systems running in a lot of new vehicles now, it's very possible that not only the ECM will show one of these "events" has happened. I'm about 5 years behind on the latest diagnostics and programming systems but I'm pretty sure the technicians and definitely the geeks at Ford engineering can see how many times your ECM was flashed. Most of the diagnosis now is going straight online and monitored if need be with Ford engineering and technical support. Honestly if it was a major concern of mine and my warranty, I would just get a ECM from a wrecked car and let some shady characters use that one for my programmed ECM. Swap back when bringing it in to the dealer. Not sure if this can still be done but I'm pretty sure it can.

 

CAN is not a system, its a communications protocol. Stands for Controller Area Network.

I think I have been inspired to do a video on how the CAN networks in our cars work.

Ford Engineering, very possible if such a thing did exists. (I can neither deny or confirm there is such a counter).

However, dealer level and below cannot get into the engineering console of the PCM. So if such a counter did exist they would not have access to it.

-Matt

 

I know what it is. I know what it does. I see why everybody else gave you a hard time. Geez man lighten up with the technicals. Unless you write control "systems" for Ford, your answer is that you just don't know either.

 

Fair enough. Just want to make sure the right information is out there. Maybe I do... or maybe I used to work for Ford on the cooperhead ecu specifically, but was poached by by another car company.... who knows... -Matt