Canned Tunes or Day at a Tune Shop?
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Canned Tunes or Day at a Tune Shop?
OK guy's, Canned tunes vs a day at a tuner shop, Pluses and minuses.
Currently have Steeda Tunes on an X4 SCT Tuner.
Currently have Steeda Tunes on an X4 SCT Tuner.
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tourer (4/17/17)
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Canned tunes are less expensive and more convenient, especially if you have only minor mods. When you get into forced induction a good dyno tune is a must. I am naturally aspirated with only a cold air intake and cat back exhaust, so a dyno tune is not necessary. I have been happy with the Steeda tunes, besides I don't have a reputable shop in my area that does dyno tuning.
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tourer (4/17/17)
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I completely agree with Elk and EF. The cost benefit ratio is probably not there for NA setup. I also have the Steeda tune and love it. I'm sure dunno tuning could provide a few more hp or tq, but for twice the price?
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tourer (4/17/17)
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Tuning, if done correctly, is done on the street, when the tuner is happy with his adjustments, it goes on the dyno.
If you have the mods to justify the cost, expect to pay $ 600-700 for a tune & dyno.
...........( my tuner used to work for Ford,......as a tuner )
Tuning is one of the places where you get what you pay for !!
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If you have the mods to justify the cost, expect to pay $ 600-700 for a tune & dyno.
...........( my tuner used to work for Ford,......as a tuner )
Tuning is one of the places where you get what you pay for !!
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Canned tunes are less expensive and more convenient, especially if you have only minor mods. When you get into forced induction a good dyno tune is a must. I am naturally aspirated with only a cold air intake and cat back exhaust, so a dyno tune is not necessary. I have been happy with the Steeda tunes, besides I don't have a reputable shop in my area that does dyno tuning.
Another option would be submitting a data log file of your car's parameters to the tuning shop who then writes your tune based off the log file you provided and if necessary, would make any adjustments to the tuning file that may be required.. That being said, unless your looking to squeeze every ounce of RWHP your car is capable of, there are other options available that provide safe and reliable tunes for FI which are nearly just as good as a custom dyno tune for less $$$..
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tourer (4/17/17)
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As for a good dyno tune being a must for forced induction applications is concerned, that's not necessarily accurate.. It all depends on the who the tuner is and how much experience they have in writing custom e-mail tunes for FI.. JDM engineering and Brenspeed write custom e-mail tunes for FI based from years of experience in R&D testing on their test mules and also from writing hundreds of custom dyno tunes for customer cars as well.. Needless to say, it's now been well over 2 years since running my custom e-mail tune from Brenspeed and everything has been spot on.. I also had the Brenspeed tune verified on the dyno by a local tuner who was very impressed by the tune and said that if I were to have my car custom dyno tuned, the most he could get for me would be just 5-10 additional RWHP..
Another option would be submitting a data log file of your car's parameters to the tuning shop who then writes your tune based off the log file you provided and if necessary, would make any adjustments to the tuning file that may be required.. That being said, unless your looking to squeeze every ounce of RWHP your car is capable of, there are other options available that provide safe and reliable tunes for FI which are nearly just as good as a custom dyno tune for less $$$..
Another option would be submitting a data log file of your car's parameters to the tuning shop who then writes your tune based off the log file you provided and if necessary, would make any adjustments to the tuning file that may be required.. That being said, unless your looking to squeeze every ounce of RWHP your car is capable of, there are other options available that provide safe and reliable tunes for FI which are nearly just as good as a custom dyno tune for less $$$..
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tourer (4/17/17)
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I ran 2 mustangs that were FI and both were canned tunes and they ran extremely well. With a canned tune, more responsibility falls on the owner of the car as they must ensure they datalog, know how to pick up when the motor is acting weird and finally communicate with the tuner. You have to be diligent and persistent and you might have to go through the datalogging process several times.
Is a dyno better, probably if you want to pick up a few more HP.
Is a dyno better, probably if you want to pick up a few more HP.
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I ran 2 mustangs that were FI and both were canned tunes and they ran extremely well. With a canned tune, more responsibility falls on the owner of the car as they must ensure they datalog, know how to pick up when the motor is acting weird and finally communicate with the tuner. You have to be diligent and persistent and you might have to go through the datalogging process several times.
Is a dyno better, probably if you want to pick up a few more HP.
Is a dyno better, probably if you want to pick up a few more HP.
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As for a good dyno tune being a must for forced induction applications is concerned, that's not necessarily accurate.. It all depends on the who the tuner is and how much experience they have in writing custom e-mail tunes for FI.. JDM engineering and Brenspeed write custom e-mail tunes for FI based from years of experience in R&D testing on their test mules and also from writing hundreds of custom dyno tunes for customer cars as well.. Needless to say, it's now been well over 2 years since running my custom e-mail tune from Brenspeed and everything has been spot on.. I also had the Brenspeed tune verified on the dyno by a local tuner who was very impressed by the tune and said that if I were to have my car custom dyno tuned, the most he could get for me would be just 5-10 additional RWHP..
A custom tune is developed on your car:
The tuner drives the car.
The tuner data-logs the car.
When he's happy with what he has on the street, the tuner puts it on the dyno.
..........Both of my cars run custom tunes by JDM.
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If you can order a tune by phone or e-mail, it's canned. They use file tunes & adjust them to suit your mods / needs, call it custom !!!
JDM has made tunes based on my custom tunes, it's the way the business is.
....................this pic is @ JDM, dropping off the 11, picking up the 14
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And JDM also writes custom e-mail tunes based upon countless R&D sessions from their own test mule vehicles before ever releasing them to the public.. There are however some vendors that are in the business who market false claims by making all kinds of empty promises that if you purchase their generic one size fits all tunes, your car will make the highest HP/Torque gains..
So therefore I do not compare JDM's custom e-mail tunes with those certain other vendors who just simply use some generic file tune and then adjust it in order to fit the end user's needs, as I just don't buy into that at all.. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had my Brenspeed e-mail tune verified on a dyno by a local tuning shop that not only confirmed the tune was safe, but I'd also end up having very little to gain if I were to upgrade in having my car custom tuned on their dyno as well.. That pretty much says it all in itself as far as I'm concerned..
So therefore I do not compare JDM's custom e-mail tunes with those certain other vendors who just simply use some generic file tune and then adjust it in order to fit the end user's needs, as I just don't buy into that at all.. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had my Brenspeed e-mail tune verified on a dyno by a local tuning shop that not only confirmed the tune was safe, but I'd also end up having very little to gain if I were to upgrade in having my car custom tuned on their dyno as well.. That pretty much says it all in itself as far as I'm concerned..
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I'll also add that canned tunes come as preloaded software that are included with SCT and Diablosport programmers in which the preloaded tune files are not written specifically for an individual car nor are any adjustments made in order to fit the end user's specific needs.. Custom e-mail tunes on the other hand are written by the tuning specialist specifically for the vehicle in question in which the vehicle's ECM calibration code is also requested by the tuner prior to writing the tuning files.. In addition, canned/preloaded tunes cannot be used for mod upgrades such as heads, cams, intake manifolds, LT headers and especially when it comes to FI applications.. Therefore custom e-mail tunes are not canned/preloaded tunes, as there is a difference between them..
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I'll also add that canned tunes come as preloaded software that are included with SCT and Diablosport programmers in which the preloaded tune files are not written specifically for an individual car nor are any adjustments made in order to fit the end user's specific needs.. Custom e-mail tunes on the other hand are written by the tuning specialist specifically for the vehicle in question in which the vehicle's ECM calibration code is also requested by the tuner prior to writing the tuning files.. In addition, canned/preloaded tunes cannot be used for mod upgrades such as heads, cams, intake manifolds, LT headers and especially when it comes to FI applications.. Therefore custom e-mail tunes are not canned/preloaded tunes, as there is a difference between them..
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I'll also add that canned tunes come as preloaded software that are included with SCT and Diablosport programmers in which the preloaded tune files are not written specifically for an individual car nor are any adjustments made in order to fit the end user's specific needs.. Custom e-mail tunes on the other hand are written by the tuning specialist specifically for the vehicle in question in which the vehicle's ECM calibration code is also requested by the tuner prior to writing the tuning files.. In addition, canned/preloaded tunes cannot be used for mod upgrades such as heads, cams, intake manifolds, LT headers and especially when it comes to FI applications.. Therefore custom e-mail tunes are not canned/preloaded tunes, as there is a difference between them..
What comes with a SCT hand held are generic upgrades.
What you get via e-mail are canned, they ask for your ECM code so it can't be used on another car.
A custom tune requires your car to be @ the tuners shop, it can't be done any other way.
You can believe anything you want, but being married to an ECM has nothing to do with weather it's canned or not. What car the tune was developed on makes it custom !!
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What comes with a SCT hand held are generic upgrades.
What you get via e-mail are canned, they ask for your ECM code so it can't be used on another car.
A custom tune requires your car to be @ the tuners shop, it can't be done any other way.
You can believe anything you want, but being married to an ECM has nothing to do with weather it's canned or not. What car the tune was developed on makes it custom !!
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What comes with a SCT hand held are generic upgrades.
What you get via e-mail are canned, they ask for your ECM code so it can't be used on another car.
A custom tune requires your car to be @ the tuners shop, it can't be done any other way.
You can believe anything you want, but being married to an ECM has nothing to do with weather it's canned or not. What car the tune was developed on makes it custom !!
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I agree that there are some very good email tunes available out there from shops such as the ones you mentioned and that custom tuning is not really a necessity. I was speaking for me personally when I said it was a must. If I am going to the expense of a supercharger or turbo set up I am going all out and paying for the custom tuning. In the scheme of things, it isn't that much more money and I want to know that I am getting all the performance that I can out of my investment.
Anyhow just another alternative you may also be interested in considering
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tourer (4/20/17)
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My local tuning shop charges $150.00 per hour for a custom dyno tuning session.. Most dyno sessions usually take up to 4-6 hours depending on the application.. His custom tuning rates are as follows: $150.00 per hour/$550.00 for 5 hour tuning package.. Anyhow, my custom e-mail tune from Brenspeed was $295.00 for one supercharged tune file and the local tuning shop that verified it charged $100.00 for one hour of dyno time which brings the grand total to $395.00.. If your car is naturally aspirated, you can select a single custom e-mail tune from Brenspeed for $95.00 or you can select 3 custom e-mail tunes for $145.00..
Hopefully this provides you with the comparison info you requested and I've also included a link for my local tuning shop in which you can verify for yourself that I provided you with accurate info..
http://www.rodeheavershotrod.com/pit...no_tuning.html
http://www.rodeheavershotrod.com/Dyn...burgh_Must.php
Hopefully this provides you with the comparison info you requested and I've also included a link for my local tuning shop in which you can verify for yourself that I provided you with accurate info..
http://www.rodeheavershotrod.com/pit...no_tuning.html
http://www.rodeheavershotrod.com/Dyn...burgh_Must.php
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The OP has indeed got his answer from these posts in addition to separating the facts from fiction, as the facts have been both confirmed and backed up straight from JDM's own website
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