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NASCAR, Major Change In Points!

Old Jan 10, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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NASCAR, Major Change In Points!

Driver must decide which division he/she will acquire points!

http://www.nascar.com/news/110110/ru...hip/index.html
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Good move.
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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+1

This should have been done a long time ago.
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 09:32 PM
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I am in the camp of

I mean, if I wanted to, and I had the ability to, then I should be allowed to win all three championships if that's what I can do. I'd be the greatest frelling driver ever if I could do that.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to compete in two or more series if you are able. Forcing you to pick (as with Wallace's case) based on your contract with one team over another? That's messed up.

Oh, sure, there's the argument of 'new drivers' being given positions that'll be vacated across the series, but really, this smells of wrong.

Whatevers. Still won't be watching it though.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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I am in the camp of

I mean, if I wanted to, and I had the ability to, then I should be allowed to win all three championships if that's what I can do. I'd be the greatest frelling driver ever if I could do that.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to compete in two or more series if you are able. Forcing you to pick (as with Wallace's case) based on your contract with one team over another? That's messed up.

Oh, sure, there's the argument of 'new drivers' being given positions that'll be vacated across the series, but really, this smells of wrong.

Whatevers. Still won't be watching it though.
The issue is not as much about the drivers as is about the teams and one driver driving for a big budget cup team and using the money and backing from that team to also run in the lower budget nationwide series. Making wins and championships for the lower budget teams running the nationwide series almost impossible.

I guess what I am saying is they are trying to prevent cup budget teams from running and dominating the nationwide series.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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I'll start watching when they get rid of the endless cautions and the WCW color commentators. They all sound like "The mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart. Oh, and how about a right turn once in awhile?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 07S197
The issue is not as much about the drivers as is about the teams and one driver driving for a big budget cup team and using the money and backing from that team to also run in the lower budget nationwide series. Making wins and championships for the lower budget teams running the nationwide series almost impossible.

I guess what I am saying is they are trying to prevent cup budget teams from running and dominating the nationwide series.
Very well, then make rules that say that. The driver, while important, true, is not very good without the team behind him.

This is the same argument as "we don't keep score, that way nobody loses!" that little league and such is becoming.

Jimmie Johnson will win a 6th next year anyway with this rule... which doesn't allow for a win/championship for a lower team anyway.

I therefore still see it as a dumb move.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:37 PM
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Every race should be an "In-pound Race" You get 2 practice sessions, qualify and thats it. Also depending on the length, only 3 sets of tires and each subsequent set will cost the team 5 points for the 4th set, 10 points for the 5th etc etc, win the race yes but you may end up with 4-10 points day.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:55 AM
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So its all about points? Can they still race for the money and sponsorship $$? If i can get a team together.... have sponsor backing, and just go race to win... who cares about points?
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:04 PM
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Jimmy Johnson thats who, points wins the championships...
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by codeman94
So its all about points? Can they still race for the money and sponsorship $$? If i can get a team together.... have sponsor backing, and just go race to win... who cares about points?
For the longest time, most Cup drivers worked in the other series in as extra practice or for fun. Recently, though, the benefit of the extra track time has become like a super practice session for Cup drivers and teams. So we've had Cup-talent drivers and teams with Cup funding running roughshod over the smaller guys trying to make a name in the lower series. And while they're doing it, they're raking in the best sponsor deals and Championship prize money too. I think the theory is that if they can't score points, Cup drivers participation will drop a tad.

Personally, and I know people disagree with this, I think they need hard limits on how much Cup drivers and teams can double or triple-dip. In Baseball, major-leaguers can participate in the minors to recover from an injury or try to get out of a funk, but they can't win minor league prizes and can't bounce between the two very often. In Football, you can't go play for your college team on Saturday and then your NFL team on Sunday.

IMO:
If a driver makes more than X Cup starts, he's considered a Cup driver and is limited to Y other NASCAR starts. This kicks in after that X number is reached, so drivers who try for the Cup early or run a limited season can still race their full-time rides.
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 06:13 AM
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Well said.
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Moosetang
For the longest time, most Cup drivers worked in the other series in as extra practice or for fun. Recently, though, the benefit of the extra track time has become like a super practice session for Cup drivers and teams. So we've had Cup-talent drivers and teams with Cup funding running roughshod over the smaller guys trying to make a name in the lower series. And while they're doing it, they're raking in the best sponsor deals and Championship prize money too. I think the theory is that if they can't score points, Cup drivers participation will drop a tad.

Personally, and I know people disagree with this, I think they need hard limits on how much Cup drivers and teams can double or triple-dip. In Baseball, major-leaguers can participate in the minors to recover from an injury or try to get out of a funk, but they can't win minor league prizes and can't bounce between the two very often. In Football, you can't go play for your college team on Saturday and then your NFL team on Sunday.

IMO:
If a driver makes more than X Cup starts, he's considered a Cup driver and is limited to Y other NASCAR starts. This kicks in after that X number is reached, so drivers who try for the Cup early or run a limited season can still race their full-time rides.
+1 .
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 01:16 PM
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It's a conspiracy to stifle Kyle Busch.



Yes, I've actually read that in comments about this story.
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 04:09 PM
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Nice step in the right direction! Now they should require owners to only race one car or perhaps even require drivers and owners to be one and the same. "NASCAR" should also be changed to "NAAR" until they actually, you know, race stock cars.
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