Boss 302 returns!!!
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The blue Boss car wasn't actualy built by Ford either, it was built by Galpin Motors, using the new crate engine. FRPP just borrowed the car to showcase the new engine (and maybe hint at the new Boss coming in the future).
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http://www.fordmusclecarforum.com/in...?showtopic=136
I received an email from some other forum about it
Theres a pic of the engine
I received an email from some other forum about it
Theres a pic of the engine
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2009 model year huh? That gives me 2 years to pay off the house and Ranger... Sounds doable... hopefully my US Sustainable Energy holdings will make me a small fortune by then and I can buy an original Boss 302.
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....The main problem with the Mod motors is their very tight bore spacing, which pretty much limits how big you can go with them without going to a longer, thirstier, heaview, more expensive V10. Thus, I think a main feature of the Boss motors will be wider bore spacing allowing V8 displacement well into the 6-7 liter class without absurdly long strokes. Sounds like OHCs are in the cards, perhaps starting with 3V SOHC heads out of the blocks and then rolling in 4V DOHCs for hi-po apps.
.........That would give a wide range of flexibility to create the right motor for every need -- small, more economical motors; big long stroke torquey truck motors; oversquare, deep breathing 4V hi-po motors and everything in between.
.........That would give a wide range of flexibility to create the right motor for every need -- small, more economical motors; big long stroke torquey truck motors; oversquare, deep breathing 4V hi-po motors and everything in between.
"Ford - listen Up".
Wider spacing and larger bore with DOHC for the win
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My guess is that Ford will keep making 4.6 / 5.4 Mod motors until the tooling wears out. At that point they'll move over to other variants of the Hurricane / Boss engine as the marketplace demands.
Given Ford's continual downsizing, in the long term they'll only be able to profitably manufacture 1 V8 engine family, so eventually other displacement & head design variations of the Boss will replace the Mod, but it will be 5 - 10 years before the Mod Motor fades away.
Given Ford's continual downsizing, in the long term they'll only be able to profitably manufacture 1 V8 engine family, so eventually other displacement & head design variations of the Boss will replace the Mod, but it will be 5 - 10 years before the Mod Motor fades away.
Agree, it may be best to allow it to have it's run and phase in the new engines with the upcoming new edition cars.
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I just read the article in 5.0 Mustang on the new Boss pushrod block from FRPP and it appears to be a very stout piece and more streetable than the current FRPP R block with is good news for those of us looking to build a max effort pushrod engine. 
However, I'm still awaiting news on the new Boss engine series (aka Hurricane) for the rumored '09 Boss Mustang. Personally, that's the news I'm eagerly awaiting.
However, I'm still awaiting news on the new Boss engine series (aka Hurricane) for the rumored '09 Boss Mustang. Personally, that's the news I'm eagerly awaiting.
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and now with the news of 1000 limited production BOSS 302's in 2008 - its time for yet another forum just for the BOSS and the 2008 Hurricane engines.
Do the order banks open in June? I'll need to be in line.
Do the order banks open in June? I'll need to be in line.
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That was speculation by Motor Trend, not official information from Ford. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Let's piece together what we know:
The Hurricane engines were 5.8-liter and 6.2-liter. Ford could revive the Boss name to brand these engines.
Ford said they want to have a special edition mustang every year (not counting the Shelby). 2007 is the GT/CS. 2008 is the bullitt.
So the best guess to date is: A 2009 Boss with a 5.8 engine.
I hope the dealers don't screw us on this one like they did the Shelby. I would love to get a 2009 boss 351 with a shaker hood.
The Hurricane engines were 5.8-liter and 6.2-liter. Ford could revive the Boss name to brand these engines.
Ford said they want to have a special edition mustang every year (not counting the Shelby). 2007 is the GT/CS. 2008 is the bullitt.
So the best guess to date is: A 2009 Boss with a 5.8 engine.
I hope the dealers don't screw us on this one like they did the Shelby. I would love to get a 2009 boss 351 with a shaker hood.
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Let's piece together what we know:
The Hurricane engines were 5.8-liter and 6.2-liter. Ford could revive the Boss name to brand these engines.
Ford said they want to have a special edition mustang every year (not counting the Shelby). 2007 is the GT/CS. 2008 is the bullitt.
So the best guess to date is: A 2009 Boss with a 5.8 engine.
I hope the dealers don't screw us on this one like they did the Shelby. I would love to get a 2009 boss 351 with a shaker hood.
The Hurricane engines were 5.8-liter and 6.2-liter. Ford could revive the Boss name to brand these engines.
Ford said they want to have a special edition mustang every year (not counting the Shelby). 2007 is the GT/CS. 2008 is the bullitt.
So the best guess to date is: A 2009 Boss with a 5.8 engine.
I hope the dealers don't screw us on this one like they did the Shelby. I would love to get a 2009 boss 351 with a shaker hood.
There will be a Boss, it has been sent back for another look see, perhaps due in part to the fact that enthusiasts have been very clear on what will and will not consitute an appropriate homage to that name and heritage/intent. I cannot point to a single source, but the facts and some pretty diligent tidbits make me confident with that.
And a very smart birdy "suggested" that said Boss SE has already had an increase from the 5.8 to the 6.2 size due to the competition's expected numbers. Take from that what you will.
Somebody at Ford PR needs to be shot with predudice for spraying one of Fords most hallowed names all over the place like pesticide. Its painful to contemplate some fresh young B.A.(best colourer in the class!) who understands nothing of Mustang, Boss or its history, saying hey my Uncle liked that name, do we own the rights to the beep beep horn to?
For what its worth, I suspect it would be easier for Ford to do a Mach right now, but they ran head first into a historical deadline that conflicts big time with revised product plans. Its up to the fans to keep the presssure up, or all you will get will be another set of overexposed pricey stickers...like the other sets so far....
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2009 BOSS 302 !!
This is what i've been waiting for. With the dream of owning a GT-500 shot to hell, this is something that i may actually be able to obtain. Hopefully the "collectors" in this market stick to the Shelby GT-500, Shelby GT-H, and the Shelby GT, leaving these cars to the "regulars". To be quite honest, other than the Shelby nameplate, there's nothing i'd want more. Wait, just make mine Grabber Orange.
This is what i've been waiting for. With the dream of owning a GT-500 shot to hell, this is something that i may actually be able to obtain. Hopefully the "collectors" in this market stick to the Shelby GT-500, Shelby GT-H, and the Shelby GT, leaving these cars to the "regulars". To be quite honest, other than the Shelby nameplate, there's nothing i'd want more. Wait, just make mine Grabber Orange.
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The boss engine series(distinct from the FRPP Boss branded windsore, er pushrod engines) is based on the same sort of design think of the Mod series, but shares no parts. The Hurricane never came to fruition and so is a dead name as far as history and comparison goes, none were ever manufactured.
There will be a Boss, it has been sent back for another look see, perhaps due in part to the fact that enthusiasts have been very clear on what will and will not consitute an appropriate homage to that name and heritage/intent. I cannot point to a single source, but the facts and some pretty diligent tidbits make me confident with that.
And a very smart birdy "suggested" that said Boss SE has already had an increase from the 5.8 to the 6.2 size due to the competition's expected numbers. Take from that what you will.
Somebody at Ford PR needs to be shot with predudice for spraying one of Fords most hallowed names all over the place like pesticide. Its painful to contemplate some fresh young B.A.(best colourer in the class!) who understands nothing of Mustang, Boss or its history, saying hey my Uncle liked that name, do we own the rights to the beep beep horn to?
For what its worth, I suspect it would be easier for Ford to do a Mach right now, but they ran head first into a historical deadline that conflicts big time with revised product plans. Its up to the fans to keep the presssure up, or all you will get will be another set of overexposed pricey stickers...like the other sets so far....
There will be a Boss, it has been sent back for another look see, perhaps due in part to the fact that enthusiasts have been very clear on what will and will not consitute an appropriate homage to that name and heritage/intent. I cannot point to a single source, but the facts and some pretty diligent tidbits make me confident with that.
And a very smart birdy "suggested" that said Boss SE has already had an increase from the 5.8 to the 6.2 size due to the competition's expected numbers. Take from that what you will.
Somebody at Ford PR needs to be shot with predudice for spraying one of Fords most hallowed names all over the place like pesticide. Its painful to contemplate some fresh young B.A.(best colourer in the class!) who understands nothing of Mustang, Boss or its history, saying hey my Uncle liked that name, do we own the rights to the beep beep horn to?
For what its worth, I suspect it would be easier for Ford to do a Mach right now, but they ran head first into a historical deadline that conflicts big time with revised product plans. Its up to the fans to keep the presssure up, or all you will get will be another set of overexposed pricey stickers...like the other sets so far....
)I am curious as to whether everyone thinks there will be one or two Boss models introduced by Ford (as was the case back in '69). Certainly the new Boss engine series (aka Hurricane) will only be available in displacements larger than 5.8L. Rumor has it that the engine will support up to 7.0L of displacement which works out to nearly 429 cubic inches (I know, it's more like 427) so Ford could revive the legendary Boss 429 nameplate. While that would be exciting, I would see such a model as a replacement for the GT500 in '09, not a "new" S/E. Even if that isn't the case, what about the road race inspired Boss 302? I fear a new Boss 429 model would be too heavy to be a true road racer like the original Boss 302 (unless Ford cast the entire engine in aluminum alloy). So what of the Boss 302? Will it be ignored or is there another possibility? Ford recently displayed the Ford "Interceptor" Concept powered by a E85 ethanol compatiable version of the 5.0L Cammer could this be the portent of things to come or just a teaser? While I hope it may be a sign of things to come, I remain skeptical that Ford would introduce the Cammer in a production car given it's cost to produce and obtain emissions certification. However, the fact that Ford went to the expense and trouble to calibrate the engine for E85 is certainly a positive sign.
Bottom line is that I agree, there will be a new Boss Mustang - I just hope Ford addresses the average enthusiast by producing a Boss in sufficient quantities and at an affordable price point. I also believe the new Boss Mustang must address an under-served segment of the Mustang market - the road race set and provide stellar handling and braking with a much lighter curb weight than the current GT500.
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I am curious as to whether everyone thinks there will be one or two Boss models introduced by Ford (as was the case back in '69).
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It sounds like Ford is going to introduce the Boss as a styling package with a leftover engine combination (very similar to the 5.4L engine offered in the '00 Cobra R). Yet another MAJOR disappointment.
I don't understand what is going on with Ford, Saleen is making 400 hp with a stroked 4.6L in their PJ Saleen using 3V heads, yet Ford can't make even that number with a 4V 5.4L. Additionally the PJ Saleen weighs less than 3,500 and has a much better weight distribution than anything Ford could achieve using an iron block 5.4L engine.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=352984
I don't understand what is going on with Ford, Saleen is making 400 hp with a stroked 4.6L in their PJ Saleen using 3V heads, yet Ford can't make even that number with a 4V 5.4L. Additionally the PJ Saleen weighs less than 3,500 and has a much better weight distribution than anything Ford could achieve using an iron block 5.4L engine.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=352984
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First post. I'll go introduce myself in a minute. First, may I complement all of you for producing such an intelligent discussion? All your comments are well thought out, intelligently stated and gramatically sensible. You spell good, too.
That's why I registered for the forum.
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First post. I'll go introduce myself in a minute. First, may I complement all of you for producing such an intelligent discussion? All your comments are well thought out, intelligently stated and gramatically sensible. You spell good, too.
That's why I registered for the forum.
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