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Old Sep 17, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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You're assuming my numbers are correct when I pulled them outta my hoop.
It was just to show the possibility.

Like I said, unless your the actual supplier, you won't know the exact manufacturing costs...
the costs on the bullitt parts would be lower because they are buying in HIGH volume and the R/D is done.

Over the 3 year model run the parts could cost ford 250 dollars per package. No one knows exactly.

I remember reading even about the LS3.
It is a FRACTIOn of the cost to manufacture compared to what you even see as a crate motor.
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Old Sep 17, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Package price is $3310, and it appears to have not been increased.
Invoice price is $2879. Not a large mark up on this one.

A big part of it price wise is the rear differential. The rest is spread over the exhaust, CAI, wheels (whicha re just the 18" Bullitts painted dark argent grey, but price them compared to the same wheel painted black or argent), painted calipers, brake pads, suspension items, Seats, and other interior items.

Some items of the package no doubt will make their way to other areas. Some have already to FRPP.
We'll see what makes it to the production 2010 GT.
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Old Sep 17, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Yeah I keep forgetting the interior parts.
Not everything will carry over.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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So let's say the parts cost $1000. Right there the GT is 1000k more than current model year. Ford isn't gonna sell it at cost, so there has to be a profit margin- maybe another 1k (at dealer invoice) and then tack a bit more on. So the 2010 is going to be at least 2k more than current MY. And that's not counting some items that used to be options but will now become standard- they aren't going to give those away either. So 3k at least will be the price increase.
Manufacturers are not allowing that much mark up post invoice anymore. Can't, wont be in line with others offered out there. Most normal cars dont have more than $1500 above invoice anymore. It all started after 9/11, in a big push of de-contenting, where product costs were kept the same, but minor things were removed that hopefully consumers wouldnt notice. Example being instant fuel economy on trip computers, just average. Or inner fender wells on trucks, or rear drum brakes replacing disc brakes.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
So let's say the parts cost $1000. Right there the GT is 1000k more than current model year. Ford isn't gonna sell it at cost, so there has to be a profit margin- maybe another 1k (at dealer invoice) and then tack a bit more on. So the 2010 is going to be at least 2k more than current MY. And that's not counting some items that used to be options but will now become standard- they aren't going to give those away either. So 3k at least will be the price increase.
You are forgetting to subtract the $750 (just pulled the number out of the air) of parts that Ford is NOT putting on the GT's so the real increase is only $250.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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One point to consider:

When comparing the price of the base 2004 GT to the 2005 GT, the 2005 Mustang GT was more.

However, the 2005 came standard with ABS disc brakes at all 4 corners. If you added that same option to the 2004 model, the 2004 GT costed more than the 2005 GT.

The application here is that we can't assume that a 2010 GT, with Bullitt parts, won't be significantly cheaper than a 2009 Bullitt. Will it be more than a 2009 GT? Possibly, but I doubt it will be radically more.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 07:44 AM
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Well "hope" is what keeps people afloat. But with all the extra's everybody is wanting this car to have (suspension, engine upgrades, brakes, interior, etc.), I just think it seems a little off the mark to expect this car to be the same price as a current GT.
But we'll all know the answer in a few months time.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Berol
One point to consider:

When comparing the price of the base 2004 GT to the 2005 GT, the 2005 Mustang GT was more.

However, the 2005 came standard with ABS disc brakes at all 4 corners. If you added that same option to the 2004 model, the 2004 GT costed more than the 2005 GT.

The application here is that we can't assume that a 2010 GT, with Bullitt parts, won't be significantly cheaper than a 2009 Bullitt. Will it be more than a 2009 GT? Possibly, but I doubt it will be radically more.
Also just to add fun facts, the 2005 mustang was cheaper to manufacature then the 2004 model.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
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But we'll all know the answer in a few months time.
Exactly. Until then everything else is pretty much just banter
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RCSignals
Exactly. Until then everything else is pretty much just banter
Yes it is. Isn't that why we are all here? It does make sense for them(FORD) to use Bullitt parts for the new refresh. All the tooling has been done and is ready to go.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RCSignals
Exactly. Until then everything else is pretty much just banter
Yeah that's why this is a forum lol
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
Yeah that's why this is a forum lol
Obviously
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RCSignals
Exactly. Until then everything else is pretty much just banter

Well..not QUITE everything
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 08:12 PM
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When I was at Woodward, I don't recall the presenter saying "we are re-using Bullitt parts". What I heard them say was "we want to get the GT's performance up to the '08/'09 Bullitt's level".

This could be achieved by using existing Bullitt parts or by doing more tuning that starts with the existing GT parts as a basis.
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Old Sep 20, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
When I was at Woodward, I don't recall the presenter saying "we are re-using Bullitt parts". What I heard them say was "we want to get the GT's performance up to the '08/'09 Bullitt's level".

This could be achieved by using existing Bullitt parts or by doing more tuning that starts with the existing GT parts as a basis.
It wouldnt be very good marketing saying we will re use the bullit parts.
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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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However they make the GT perform "up to the '08/'09 Bullitt's level" is fine with me, if the cost doesn't increase significantly. Using existing Bullitt parts would make sense if it cost less to use them than to make new ones; not so much if they could use less expensive parts to achieve the same results.

But as others have said, "We'll see in a few months". (Still fun to conjecture, though!!)
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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoomie
.......... (Still fun to conjecture, though!!)
Yes
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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Well, It's been fun but with the recent news of the 2010 Mustang GT staying with the 4.6L and only being 310hp, I am going to go over to GM, I just don't want to mod any more to keep up with the competition. The 2010 Camaro is better looking than the 4th Gen but not as good as the mustang, but I want more power. I just read that the SS Camaro will start at about 30K, for 422hp I am all over that.

Sorry guys but it's been real but Ford once again drops the ball and lets GM pounce all over them.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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I would be utterly amazed if they could deliver a 422 hp Camaro SS for 30K. Even stripped, they'd have to really use cheap hardware, materials, etc.

Shades of Camaros/Firebirds past: clearly trounce the Mustang on raw numbers, but lose in the sales race because of inferior overall quality/drivability.

Could be wrong. GM has made some serious improvements elsewhere. But I really think that to get a Camaro SS close to a Mustang GT price they'd have to cut an awful lot of corners...
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Dual-Zone A/C. nice.
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