Why doesn't the 2011 V6 get the selectshift
Neither is a Mazda3...there are a lot of cars that aren't sports cars but have this feature. Come on guys..the Ford Fusion V6 even in its less than perfect implementation has it, without paddle shifters but it does have the select shift feature.
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I understand the "keeping up with current competition" mentality but to me, realistically, the manual automatics
are something that are done because it can be done not that it needs to be done from a daily driving point of view.
The technology has caused millions of dollars to be spent, and subsequent prices of cars to go up, for a minimal gain
in the general populations' driving experience. Heck, put that money into something more useful, like more cupholders. LOL
are something that are done because it can be done not that it needs to be done from a daily driving point of view.
The technology has caused millions of dollars to be spent, and subsequent prices of cars to go up, for a minimal gain
in the general populations' driving experience. Heck, put that money into something more useful, like more cupholders. LOL
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BS. It is compared to the rest of Ford's lineup. Which is why it gets compared to other sports/sporty coupe cars in the industry. Especially with the strides Ford is taking to make the car fair better against more sophisticated company, it is definitely more and more a sportscar.
And if that's your argument, well, the Fusion, Taurus, Edge, Flex, Super Duty, Focus, Explorer, Mazda3, Mazda6, Mazda5, Volvo S40/70/80, Volvo V50/70/XC60/XC90, BMW 1/3/5/6/7-Series, Mercedes C/E/S-Class, VW Rabbit/Golf/GTi/Passat/Jetta and EVERY other freaken car in the last 15 years that has had a manual override auto transmission, aren't sportscars either.
Yes, the Edge/Focus/Explorer currently don't have a Select Shift option, but the 2011s all will.
Even if you want to make the argument that drag racers won't use the Select Shift, that is wholly untrue. How many bracket racers/hardcore drag racers switch over to a selectable shifter from B&M so they can have full control over the car??
And if that's your argument, well, the Fusion, Taurus, Edge, Flex, Super Duty, Focus, Explorer, Mazda3, Mazda6, Mazda5, Volvo S40/70/80, Volvo V50/70/XC60/XC90, BMW 1/3/5/6/7-Series, Mercedes C/E/S-Class, VW Rabbit/Golf/GTi/Passat/Jetta and EVERY other freaken car in the last 15 years that has had a manual override auto transmission, aren't sportscars either.
Yes, the Edge/Focus/Explorer currently don't have a Select Shift option, but the 2011s all will.
Even if you want to make the argument that drag racers won't use the Select Shift, that is wholly untrue. How many bracket racers/hardcore drag racers switch over to a selectable shifter from B&M so they can have full control over the car??
BS. It is compared to the rest of Ford's lineup. Which is why it gets compared to other sports/sporty coupe cars in the industry. Especially with the strides Ford is taking to make the car fair better against more sophisticated company, it is definitely more and more a sportscar.
And if that's your argument, well, the Fusion, Taurus, Edge, Flex, Super Duty, Focus, Explorer, Mazda3, Mazda6, Mazda5, Volvo S40/70/80, Volvo V50/70/XC60/XC90, BMW 1/3/5/6/7-Series, Mercedes C/E/S-Class, VW Rabbit/Golf/GTi/Passat/Jetta and EVERY other freaken car in the last 15 years that has had a manual override auto transmission, aren't sportscars either.
Yes, the Edge/Focus/Explorer currently don't have a Select Shift option, but the 2011s all will.
Even if you want to make the argument that drag racers won't use the Select Shift, that is wholly untrue. How many bracket racers/hardcore drag racers switch over to a selectable shifter from B&M so they can have full control over the car??
And if that's your argument, well, the Fusion, Taurus, Edge, Flex, Super Duty, Focus, Explorer, Mazda3, Mazda6, Mazda5, Volvo S40/70/80, Volvo V50/70/XC60/XC90, BMW 1/3/5/6/7-Series, Mercedes C/E/S-Class, VW Rabbit/Golf/GTi/Passat/Jetta and EVERY other freaken car in the last 15 years that has had a manual override auto transmission, aren't sportscars either.
Yes, the Edge/Focus/Explorer currently don't have a Select Shift option, but the 2011s all will.
Even if you want to make the argument that drag racers won't use the Select Shift, that is wholly untrue. How many bracket racers/hardcore drag racers switch over to a selectable shifter from B&M so they can have full control over the car??
Yes someone who gets it...
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
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It's like the IRS argument all over again. Apparently if the Mustang doesn't have every feature that every one of it's competitors has, it's behind the times, despite the fact that Mustang has features/options that none of it's competitors have, like MyColor, Sync, and Glass Roof. And like IRS, I'm sure Mustang will get SelectShift in the future.
It's all relative. I am someone who would use the feature if I were to buy a new car with an auto. Not only at the track/strip, but in every day driving. Hopefully I'll be fortunate enough to marry a woman who knows how to drive a manual and it won't be an issue, but I wouldn't bet on it. Even now, I daily drive my 2000 V6 Auto ANSI HATE the gearing for stop and go traffic. I also enjoy spirited driving around the canyon backroads in the Bay Area. I didn't get my car by choice; it's what I'm working with at this point. I would love for it to be a manual, but the next best thing would be a selectable 6spd auto.
All you guys who are against it or say you wouldn't use it, what is your answer to why the heck you think Ford would put the feature in the Fusion, Focus, Mazda3, MKS, etc etc etc, and not in the freaken Mustang??
And don't tell me drag racers don't use selectable shifters. I watch Speed all the time. Even a lot of pro racers use them. Not ALL, but a lot do.
All you guys who are against it or say you wouldn't use it, what is your answer to why the heck you think Ford would put the feature in the Fusion, Focus, Mazda3, MKS, etc etc etc, and not in the freaken Mustang??
And don't tell me drag racers don't use selectable shifters. I watch Speed all the time. Even a lot of pro racers use them. Not ALL, but a lot do.
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Now if you look at my post again you will see that I never said that nobody uses them on the dragstrip. I said that everybody that I know that drag races does not use them. Also watch them on speed and actually doing it are two different things.
It's like the IRS argument all over again. Apparently if the Mustang doesn't have every feature that every one of it's competitors has, it's behind the times, despite the fact that Mustang has features/options that none of it's competitors have, like MyColor, Sync, and Glass Roof. And like IRS, I'm sure Mustang will get SelectShift in the future.
Yes someone who gets it...
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
Wait a minute. You're saying you would marry a woman who can't drive a manual and refuses to learn? We need to have a talk son . . .
I don't really care if it's there or not. I am against raising the cost of the car simply to meet marketing hype. Yes some people really like it, I just don't think it is a technology that most people would use. So make it an option.
It's a sales gimmick for the kids who place bling over substance.
The Mustang has always been about the basics, not the bling. It is not a "sports car" the Mustang is a "pony car", and the Mustang alone has defined the pony car market for over 45 years. Everyone else is and has been trying to catch up. I driven the new SHO with the paddle shifter it is a JOKE! to put it bluntly, paddle shifters on a slush box are a poor substitute for a manual transmission with a clutch. The V-6 Mustang is there to compete on price, base model with a low price. Like has already been said, if Ford were going to put the option on a Mustang, the loaded GT would be the place not on the entry level V-6.
What "Drag racers" do is irrelevant. What you are watching on TV and the V-6 Mustang rolling off the showroom floor are worlds apart...
All you guys who are against it or say you wouldn't use it, what is your answer to why the heck you think Ford would put the feature in the Fusion, Focus, Mazda3, MKS, etc etc etc, and not in the freaken Mustang??
And don't tell me drag racers don't use selectable shifters. I watch Speed all the time. Even a lot of pro racers use them. Not ALL, but a lot do.
The Mustang has always been about the basics, not the bling. It is not a "sports car" the Mustang is a "pony car", and the Mustang alone has defined the pony car market for over 45 years. Everyone else is and has been trying to catch up. I driven the new SHO with the paddle shifter it is a JOKE! to put it bluntly, paddle shifters on a slush box are a poor substitute for a manual transmission with a clutch. The V-6 Mustang is there to compete on price, base model with a low price. Like has already been said, if Ford were going to put the option on a Mustang, the loaded GT would be the place not on the entry level V-6.
What "Drag racers" do is irrelevant. What you are watching on TV and the V-6 Mustang rolling off the showroom floor are worlds apart...
All you guys who are against it or say you wouldn't use it, what is your answer to why the heck you think Ford would put the feature in the Fusion, Focus, Mazda3, MKS, etc etc etc, and not in the freaken Mustang??
And don't tell me drag racers don't use selectable shifters. I watch Speed all the time. Even a lot of pro racers use them. Not ALL, but a lot do.
PEOPLE . . . . LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A STICK WITH A CLUTCH! WE PROBABLY WILL SEE Paddle shifters more as the price goes down on the parts . . . . . a better parallel maybe like the transition from column shift automatics to floor shift automatics . . . . . was anything gained? No but AVERAGE customer's expectations changed . . . . . Does anyone actually USE the paddle shifters or select shifters? NO . . . . real guys buy manuals and AVERAGE customers dont care. But average customers MAY feel they need the paddles on purchase (and it might be the difference between a sale and no sale) . . . . .similar to 4WD . . . . .I had a 2001 Explorer 4WD . . . . the ONLY time I placed it in 4WD during the 2 year lease was on the last day prior to returning the truck to Ford! And I lived in Michigan at the time!
Yes someone who gets it...
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
Obviously there can be no middle ground here, and since Ford has decided NOT to put this feature in the Mustang at this time, it is a moot point.
BUT, I will reply to this lol. Well, I will definitely be trying to teach my spouse how to drive stick when I get my 10/11, but I wouldn't NOT marry her for not learning. She will definitely try though. It's just a safety issue, IMO. I don't see why we don't HAVE to learn manual in driver's ed anymore. What if you are driving with a friend who has a MT car and he collapses, and you're in the middle of no where. You're F'ed.
Yes someone who gets it...
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
For those of you who don't get it and are willing to accept mediocrity are actually enablers allowing Ford to build subpar cars with the attitiude that once again.."almost is good enough". When it obviously isn't good enough, hence the current state of the US car market and why other (foreign) makes keep gaining in market share. Ford is on the right track and you mark my words if not in 2012 then the next generation Mustang will have it. I just don't understand why the car doesn't have it now after putting a brand spanking new V6. Its not like they have to reinvent the wheel here, the tranny is already in the parts bin along with the select shift.
Dave
Obviously there can be no middle ground here, and since Ford has decided NOT to put this feature in the Mustang at this time, it is a moot point.
BUT, I will reply to this lol. Well, I will definitely be trying to teach my spouse how to drive stick when I get my 10/11, but I wouldn't NOT marry her for not learning. She will definitely try though. It's just a safety issue, IMO. I don't see why we don't HAVE to learn manual in driver's ed anymore. What if you are driving with a friend who has a MT car and he collapses, and you're in the middle of no where. You're F'ed.
BUT, I will reply to this lol. Well, I will definitely be trying to teach my spouse how to drive stick when I get my 10/11, but I wouldn't NOT marry her for not learning. She will definitely try though. It's just a safety issue, IMO. I don't see why we don't HAVE to learn manual in driver's ed anymore. What if you are driving with a friend who has a MT car and he collapses, and you're in the middle of no where. You're F'ed.


