Why Boss instead of GT-500
3/28/11 | 09:14 PM
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Why Boss instead of GT-500
Why purchase a 2012 Boss instead of a GT-500? When they cost almost the same?
Locally, the Boss can be purchased @ MSRP for $43465 without Brembos.
The GT-500 on X-plan(yes, its available now) @ $45189 with Brembos and an additional 100hp.
Locally, the Boss can be purchased @ MSRP for $43465 without Brembos.
The GT-500 on X-plan(yes, its available now) @ $45189 with Brembos and an additional 100hp.
3/28/11 | 09:24 PM
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I guess it comes down to what really strikes a chord with someone. Its what hits you on a personal level and connects with you emotionally. When it gets to that point, the price difference doesn't really figure into the equation for a lot of people.
Then you get into what the person is looking for in a car. A boulevard bruiser that has lots of amenities but still rips and snorts when you want it to, or a more dedicated track weapon with less frills. At the end of the day, they are both great cars, but they fill a different niche and appeal to a different customer base.
Then you get into what the person is looking for in a car. A boulevard bruiser that has lots of amenities but still rips and snorts when you want it to, or a more dedicated track weapon with less frills. At the end of the day, they are both great cars, but they fill a different niche and appeal to a different customer base.
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3/29/11 | 01:22 AM
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I guess it comes down to what really strikes a chord with someone. Its what hits you on a personal level and connects with you emotionally. When it gets to that point, the price difference doesn't really figure into the equation for a lot of people.
Then you get into what the person is looking for in a car. A boulevard bruiser that has lots of amenities but still rips and snorts when you want it to, or a more dedicated track weapon with less frills. At the end of the day, they are both great cars, but they fill a different niche and appeal to a different customer base.
Then you get into what the person is looking for in a car. A boulevard bruiser that has lots of amenities but still rips and snorts when you want it to, or a more dedicated track weapon with less frills. At the end of the day, they are both great cars, but they fill a different niche and appeal to a different customer base.
Two different cars for two different purposes.
3/29/11 | 07:52 AM
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This:
2011 Shelby GT500 specs:
* 5.4L 4-valve DOHC V-8
* 330 cu. in. / 5,409 cc
* 550 hp @ 6,200 rpm
* 510 lb.-ft. @ 4,250 rpm
* 6,250 rpm redline
* 8.4:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block, aluminum heads
* 9.0 psi roots-type supercharger, air-to-water intercooler
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Cracked forged steel I-beam rods
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.55 final)
* Weight: 3,820 (56/44)
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2012 Boss 302 specs:
* 5.0L 4-valve DOHC Ti-VCT V8
* 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
* Composite shell-welded intake
* Stainless steel tubular headers
* 7,500 rpm redline
* 11.0:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block and heads
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Forged steel rods
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.73 final)
* Weight: 3,631 (55/45)
Boss: 3631lb/440hp = 8.25 lb/hp
GT500: 3820lb/550hp = 6.945 lb/hp
2012 Mustang Boss 2011 Shelby GT500
302 Laguna Seca
As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.6 4.6
1/4 mile
(sec. @ mph) 12.7 @113.4 12.6 @ 115.8
Skid pad
(200-ft. diameter)
lateral g 0.98 0.99
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph) 72.0 70.1
Road course lap time
(min., sec.) 1:26.1 1:25.6
60-0 mph (ft.) 107 110
As-tested weight (lbs.) 3,622 3,808
Because of the lighter weight, it does more with less (literally).
2011 Shelby GT500 specs:
* 5.4L 4-valve DOHC V-8
* 330 cu. in. / 5,409 cc
* 550 hp @ 6,200 rpm
* 510 lb.-ft. @ 4,250 rpm
* 6,250 rpm redline
* 8.4:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block, aluminum heads
* 9.0 psi roots-type supercharger, air-to-water intercooler
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Cracked forged steel I-beam rods
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.55 final)
* Weight: 3,820 (56/44)
----------------------------------------------------------
2012 Boss 302 specs:
* 5.0L 4-valve DOHC Ti-VCT V8
* 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
* Composite shell-welded intake
* Stainless steel tubular headers
* 7,500 rpm redline
* 11.0:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block and heads
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Forged steel rods
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.73 final)
* Weight: 3,631 (55/45)
Boss: 3631lb/440hp = 8.25 lb/hp
GT500: 3820lb/550hp = 6.945 lb/hp
2012 Mustang Boss 2011 Shelby GT500
302 Laguna Seca
As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.6 4.6
1/4 mile
(sec. @ mph) 12.7 @113.4 12.6 @ 115.8
Skid pad
(200-ft. diameter)
lateral g 0.98 0.99
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph) 72.0 70.1
Road course lap time
(min., sec.) 1:26.1 1:25.6
60-0 mph (ft.) 107 110
As-tested weight (lbs.) 3,622 3,808
Because of the lighter weight, it does more with less (literally).
3/29/11 | 08:13 AM
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2012 Mustang Boss 2011 Shelby GT500
302 Laguna Seca
As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.6 4.6
1/4 mile
(sec. @ mph) 12.7 @113.4 12.6 @ 115.8
Skid pad
(200-ft. diameter)
lateral g 0.98 0.99
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph) 72.0 70.1
Road course lap time
(min., sec.) 1:26.1 1:25.6
60-0 mph (ft.) 107 110
As-tested weight (lbs.) 3,622 3,808
Because of the lighter weight, it does more with less (literally).
You've got most of these quotes backwards, unless you copied and pasted them and the chart didn't come out right ???
3/29/11 | 08:21 AM
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http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html
Maybe your monitor is set in mirror mode??
3/29/11 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_VaporGT_09
This:
2011 Shelby GT500 specs:
* 5.4L 4-valve DOHC V-8
* 330 cu. in. / 5,409 cc
* 550 hp @ 6,200 rpm
* 510 lb.-ft. @ 4,250 rpm
* 6,250 rpm redline
* 8.4:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block, aluminum heads
* 9.0 psi roots-type supercharger, air-to-water intercooler
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Cracked forged steel I-beam rods
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.55 final)
* Weight: 3,820 (56/44)
----------------------------------------------------------
2012 Boss 302 specs:
* 5.0L 4-valve DOHC Ti-VCT V8
* 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
* Composite shell-welded intake
* Stainless steel tubular headers
* 7,500 rpm redline
* 11.0:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block and heads
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Forged steel rods
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.73 final)
* Weight: 3,631 (55/45)
Boss: 3631lb/440hp = 8.25 lb/hp
GT500: 3820lb/550hp = 6.945 lb/hp
2012 Mustang Boss 2011 Shelby GT500
302 Laguna Seca
As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.6 4.6
1/4 mile
(sec. @ mph) 12.7 @113.4 12.6 @ 115.8
Skid pad
(200-ft. diameter)
lateral g 0.98 0.99
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph) 72.0 70.1
Road course lap time
(min., sec.) 1:26.1 1:25.6
60-0 mph (ft.) 107 110
As-tested weight (lbs.) 3,622 3,808
Because of the lighter weight, it does more with less (literally).
2011 Shelby GT500 specs:
* 5.4L 4-valve DOHC V-8
* 330 cu. in. / 5,409 cc
* 550 hp @ 6,200 rpm
* 510 lb.-ft. @ 4,250 rpm
* 6,250 rpm redline
* 8.4:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block, aluminum heads
* 9.0 psi roots-type supercharger, air-to-water intercooler
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Cracked forged steel I-beam rods
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.55 final)
* Weight: 3,820 (56/44)
----------------------------------------------------------
2012 Boss 302 specs:
* 5.0L 4-valve DOHC Ti-VCT V8
* 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
* Composite shell-welded intake
* Stainless steel tubular headers
* 7,500 rpm redline
* 11.0:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum block and heads
* Forged aluminum pistons
* Forged steel rods
* Forged steel crankshaft
* Tremec TR6060 six-speed (3.73 final)
* Weight: 3,631 (55/45)
Boss: 3631lb/440hp = 8.25 lb/hp
GT500: 3820lb/550hp = 6.945 lb/hp
2012 Mustang Boss 2011 Shelby GT500
302 Laguna Seca
As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.6 4.6
1/4 mile
(sec. @ mph) 12.7 @113.4 12.6 @ 115.8
Skid pad
(200-ft. diameter)
lateral g 0.98 0.99
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph) 72.0 70.1
Road course lap time
(min., sec.) 1:26.1 1:25.6
60-0 mph (ft.) 107 110
As-tested weight (lbs.) 3,622 3,808
Because of the lighter weight, it does more with less (literally).
Some of these numbers are from fantasy land. Whoever did this test should spend more time with the vehicles or stop testing. I guess the GT500 they tested with didn't have the PP package since you put a 3.55 final. Let's not forget that the 5.0 in the boss has been seriously pushed to the limit to squeak out an extra 30hp. For a 150.00 you can easily get another 50hp with a blower pulley. That much power can easily be put to the ground with a few added parts. One last thing, I'm not sure how ford gets it's weight but I've weighed my 500 and it's 3793
That being said it really comes down to which one looks better to you.
"I wanna go fast"
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3/29/11 | 09:08 AM
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Some of these numbers are from fantasy land. Whoever did this test should spend more time with the vehicles or stop testing. I guess the GT500 they tested with didn't have the PP package since you put a 3.55 final. Let's not forget that the 5.0 in the boss has been seriously pushed to the limit to squeak out an extra 30hp. For a 150.00 you can easily get another 50hp with a blower pulley. That much power can easily be put to the ground with a few added parts. One last thing, I'm not sure how ford gets it's weight but I've weighed my 500 and it's 3793
That being said it really comes down to which one looks better to you.
"I wanna go fast"
That being said it really comes down to which one looks better to you.
"I wanna go fast"
It comes down to the high revving, lighter feel versus the big brute, high torque but low redline approach.
The top part of this is from a different site -- the Edmund's test was with the SVTPP.
Those weight differences can be a tank of gas...
Last edited by CO_VaporGT_09; 3/29/11 at 09:10 AM.
3/29/11 | 09:17 AM
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straight from Edmund's Inside Line:
http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html
Maybe your monitor is set in mirror mode??
http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html
Maybe your monitor is set in mirror mode??
In your chart It says GT500 first, then 302 Laguna Seca, but then goes on to list As-tested Price $47,990 $55,330, which we know is backwards. Same for weight, G's, slalom, braking, etc.
I see that the Edmunds chart is correct in the order they are presented.
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3/29/11 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_VaporGT_09
Very true -- 5.0 magazine just did a shootout of a KB boosted 5.0 and 5.4, and the 5.0 pushes out more HP per psi due to the higher compression ratio. The 5.4 has more potential for top power due to its displacement (though the 5.0 heads flow better).
It comes down to the high revving, lighter feel versus the big brute, high torque but low redline approach.
The top part of this is from a different site -- the Edmund's test was with the SVTPP.
Those weight differences can be a tank of gas...
"I wanna go fast"
3/29/11 | 09:41 AM
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Quite true, they noted that as well. The 5.4 is purpose built for boost with that low compression ratio, and allows more boost, ultimately. But in mildly-boosted applications, the 5.0 wins hp/lb of boost.
The Boss is for the road track, the Shelby for the drag strip, I think.
3/29/11 | 09:02 PM
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