2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

We talk of the good old days....

Old Jun 8, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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We talk of the good old days....

Found these stock times on the web for 67 - 70 Mustangs:
1967 Performance:
(Shelby GT500) 428/355: 0-60 in 6.2 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.6 sec @ 99mph.

1968 Performance:
(Cobra Jet) 428/335: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.01@101mph.

1969 Performance:
(Super Cobra Jet) 428/335: 0-60 in 5.7 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec @ 103mph.
(Boss 429) 429/375: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec @ 103mph.

1970 Performance:
(Boss 302) 302/290: 0-60 in 6.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec @ 96 mph.

1971 Performance:
(Boss 351) 351/330: 0-60 in 5.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec @ 102 mph

Amazing that todays V6 would match or beat these old muscle cars times and the v8 would destroy them.
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 03:29 PM
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It amazing how far these cars have come
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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Imagine what could be in another forty years!
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 03:34 PM
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great find, thanks for sharing!
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 04:24 PM
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No times for the 427 SOHC cammer?
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JCStang
Found these stock times on the web for 67 - 70 Mustangs:
1967 Performance:
(Shelby GT500) 428/355: 0-60 in 6.2 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.6 sec @ 99mph.

1968 Performance:
(Cobra Jet) 428/335: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.01@101mph.

1969 Performance:
(Super Cobra Jet) 428/335: 0-60 in 5.7 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec @ 103mph.
(Boss 429) 429/375: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec @ 103mph.

1970 Performance:
(Boss 302) 302/290: 0-60 in 6.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec @ 96 mph.

1971 Performance:
(Boss 351) 351/330: 0-60 in 5.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec @ 102 mph

Amazing that todays V6 would match or beat these old muscle cars times and the v8 would destroy them.
Thanks for reminding us how nice we have it. The power (and fuel economy) advances over just the last 10-15 years are amazing. The V-6's of today produce neary 20% more HP than the stock V-8s from 10 years ago.
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 07:54 PM
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I see it as the '67 Shelby would still beat a lot of cars today.

That's more impressive to me.
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 11:30 PM
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A lot of the improvement is in the tires, too. The tires in the 60s were crap. I remember driving my uncle's 69 Boss 302 in the early 80s when I was a kid. That thing was flat out scary on those Polyglass tires. It was all over the road, and it wasn't nearly as fast as a modern V6 Mustang. Put modern summer performance tires on those old big block Mustangs, and I bet they would come close to the 0-60 and 1/4 of a Coyote S197.
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Old Jun 9, 2012 | 12:06 PM
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a lot of it's due to the 6 spd transmission.. gotta love it

'69 Boss 429 man.
Gear ratios (overall):
I 2.32 (9.07)
II 1.69 (6.61)
III 1.29 (5.04)
IV 1 (3.91)

'11+ Mustang man. V6
Gear ratios (overall):
I 4.236 (11.56)
II 2.538 (6.93)
III 1.665 (4.55)
IV 1.238 (3.38)
V 1 (2.73)
VI 0.7 (1.91)


'11+ Mustang man. V6 (opt 3.31:1)
Gear ratios (overall):
I 4.236 (14.02)
II 2.538 (8.4)
III 1.665 (5.51)
IV 1.238 (4.1)
V 1(3.31)
VI 0.7 (2.32)
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Technology today is great. Those old cars were terribly strong and fast in the day, and sounded amazing. But cars today are so quick, it's scarey to think that they sell them to idiots that can't even drive a VW Beetle well.
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:12 AM
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http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:32 AM
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Need to repost this when someone says todays mustangs are not muscle cars.
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 03:59 AM
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Ford has come a long way in 10 years. The ls1 killed us 98-02. Heck, I even owned one (2001ss) . Todays GT vs todays SS is no contest. It's a nice role reversal from 10 years ago.. I have first hand experience just 2 days ago. way to go Ford!

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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kinyodas
Imagine what could be in another forty years!
The way things are going we all will be taking the electric bus in forty years.
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 05:34 AM
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This one intriged me:

1971 Performance:
(Boss 351) 351/330: 0-60 in 5.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec @ 102 mph

Car and Driver states the 2011 V6:

"Strapped with our test gear, we spurred a new V-6 Mustang with the standard six-speed manual to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 14 flat at 104 mph."
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Forty years is a long time. In terms of the auto industry, it's a not insignificant percentage of the entire timeline, and we should also consider the technological advancements that have been made in the same time frame which allow the engineers and designers to work much more quickly and efficiently than ever before. The computing power alone allows for entire leaps in power and efficiency improvements through mathematic modeling. The increases in performance, as impressive as they are, should be seen as a matter of course. The improvements in economy are mandated by supply of the requisite materials as well as standards set by the federal transportation and energy authorities. Car makers either meet those standards or go under. All things considered, it makes perfect sense that today's cars are so much more powerful and efficient. Sad to say, though, there is little of the romance and shade-tree ingenuity in today's cars that made the very first mass-produced performance cars so unique.

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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 07:57 AM
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Its amazing how far we have come. I owned a 67 stang with a 289 and remember it well. The worst thing about that car was the brakes. I can remember a friend in school having a 78 Z28 and me thinking this thing was pretty fast. I guess it was for the time period when cars got really crappy.

I guess what even be more remarkable is the fuel mileage we can get today compared to the old iron. 15mpg back in the day was good.

I will tell you what in not remarkable though imo and that is the weight of new cars. They are ALL too heavy. We can thank the goverment for a lot of that but something has to be done about it.

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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2012WhiteGT
A lot of the improvement is in the tires, too. The tires in the 60s were crap. I remember driving my uncle's 69 Boss 302 in the early 80s when I was a kid. That thing was flat out scary on those Polyglass tires. It was all over the road, and it wasn't nearly as fast as a modern V6 Mustang. Put modern summer performance tires on those old big block Mustangs, and I bet they would come close to the 0-60 and 1/4 of a Coyote S197.
Yes, old tires were crap, but the 1/4 mile trap speeds stay consistent regardless of traction (spend any time at the drag strip and you'll see it for yourself). Those 95-105 mph 1/4 mile trap speeds pale in comparison to new 5.0L's which are typically around 110 mph stock. My tuned (but otherwise stock) '11 5.0L traps in the 115-117 mph range.

The only classic musclecar I've ever owned was a '68 Pontiac GTO that I owned for 9 years. All stock, they were only good for mid 14's @92 in the 1/4 mile for the 350hp big block 400 that I owned. Balanced & blueprinted with a big stall converter (turbo 400 trans) and 3.90 gears with drag slicks and my '68 still only ran mid 13's @ 99 in the 1/4 mile. Like many big block musclecars it launched hard with all that crazy torque (sixty foot times around 1.5 to 1.6 seconds on slicks), but it lacked the hp to keep the acceleration going. The new generation of musclecars have good torque and big hp to back it up.
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 01:16 PM
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Fort Sad to say, though, there is little of the romance and shade-tree ingenuity in today's cars that made the very first mass-produced performance cars so unique.
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