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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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He's at it again. Top(notch) work, Sir.



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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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guirgo thing = trash..sorry lol
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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+1 Giugiaro Mustang, Pretty ugly. I wouldn't even call that piece of crap a mustang. No offense, but I don't like it. Oh well, It is driving me nuts to see this 2010. I know whatever Ford does, it will be sweet!
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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I like the wheels on the one on the right
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Cocheese
+1 Giugiaro Mustang, Pretty ugly. I wouldn't even call that piece of crap a mustang. No offense, but I don't like it. Oh well, It is driving me nuts to see this 2010. I know whatever Ford does, it will be sweet!
Not only is that Guigiaro a piece of crap, but it's also an abomination. Think of it as a disfigured cartoon caricature of a 67-68 Mustang !

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Not only is that Guigiaro a piece of crap, but it's also an abomination. Think of it as a disfigured cartoon caricature of a 67-68 Mustang !
I was never fully sold on the Giugiaro concept at first, but then I saw it in the metal at the Goodwood Festival of Speed a couple of years ago. It was parked next to an '06 GT500 and it made the S197 look staid and boring.

There are aspects of the concept I still don't like, but as Topnotch has shown, with a little work, it could become a truely stunning road car. The curves and hips on that thing are to die for.
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Topnotch

We are not worthy
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 04:43 AM
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I saw the giugiaro concept in person at the LA auto show and it's not that bad. The seats and the tail lights need work though
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
Mr Topnotch is a superb Photoshopper. Pity he doesn't work for Ford's design team. Alas, I believe it's a 'chop of this photo. But, it does go to prove that with a little work, Giugiaro's concept could be turned into an awesome production car.
With all do respect to topnotch's abilities, you need more than Photoshop skills to be a car designer. Car Design is not done by drawing over existing photographs- in fact, most of the work is done in clay with aluminum foil overlayed to see the shape and black tape to adjust lines. The photo-realistic Photoshop renderings are done afterwards to support the overall shape designed and refined into clay.






However, it also takes more than being a car designer's son. Just compare the work of Giorgetto Giugiaro ( Alfa GTV, DeTomaso Mangusta ) with that of his son Fabrizio, who was the designer of the Giugiaro Mustang. Talent is not a genetic given.Anyone can do a one-off concept car ( and Fab did it poorly, in my opinion. ) it takes special talent to develop a good looking car over existing mechanicals, federal safety and impact regulations, lackluster engineering, and with no funding from a cash-strapped company. Of course I am biased, since I am a former designer and my friend is a current designer.

Again, no disrespect to you, topnotch.

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gnat-sum
With all do respect to topnotch's abilities, you need more than Photoshop skills to be a car designer. Car Design is not done by drawing over existing photographs- in fact, most of the work is done in clay with aluminum foil overlayed to see the shape and black tape to adjust lines. The photo-realistic Photoshop renderings are done afterwards to support the overall shape designed and refined into clay.
All car designs start out as a sketch on paper...sometimes even on a dinner napkin.
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Topnotch
All car designs start out as a sketch on paper...sometimes even on a dinner napkin.
Correct, but I think what gnat-sum is trying to say is photoshopping over a picture does not make one into a car designer.
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by stangsimon
Correct, but I think what gnat-sum is trying to say is photoshopping over a picture does not make one into a car designer.
You are right, simon. Topnotch is definitely skilled at Photoshop illustration. Some details and shapes seem a bit off of what is taught as a car designer, but I don't know if topnotch has an industrial or trans design degree or not. That's why I'm saying no disrespect, just informing those who say he should be on Ford's design team ( or anyone's design team ) realize there is a lot more than goes into being a car designer than Photoshopping over an existing picture. I used to be in this business, and I know all the hard work designers do to develop the design, and then get it actually made despite cost, engineering and manufacturing roadblocks. The designers do alot more than draw pretty pictures...

As he says, yes, all car designs begin as rough sketches ( called ideation ), then more finished sketches while each designer develops an idea ( called a "theme". ) After several sketch reviews w/ design execs, a few are chosen for clay models in scale ( 4/10 scale usually ) , or, if one "theme" is completely awesome, it could go into in a full-scale clay right away.

So now I must ask,TN, do you have any ideation, hand-drawn sketches to share? What's your background?

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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Do you have a full sot of this? Looks great!
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Whatever his background or future, TN has produced some awesome images, certainly better than anything the motoring press has been able to produce.

I wish I had such a talent.
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
My apologies, but I happen to be in the minority who doesn't like the Guigario concept at all. IMHO the Guigario with it's overall stubby profile, and taller rear end. Seems to look more like a Hot Wheels/cartoon caricature of a disfigured 67-68 fastback. I also don't like the hip line being raised above the doorline, as this just exaggerates the high waisted beltline even further.

At any rate: I hope that I haven't offended anyone, for that wasn't my intention.
+1 Couldnt have said it any better
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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+1 Couldnt have said it any better
+2! I don't think he's in the minority at all. Seems like the Guiguro(however you say it!) is pretty much hated by most Mustang lovers.
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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Thumbs up

Topnotch does it again. Nice touch

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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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ooooo!!! that looks nice... maybe could we get a look at a 1/4 pannel 5.0badge?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 04:55 AM
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Topnotch, can you post the full size image you made so I can put it on my desktop? Maybe make it Grabber Blue?! That would be wonderful.
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