http://www.themustangnews.com/conten...1-mustang-5-0/
is this what boomer was talking about?

 

I"m curious to see how successful these mods will be, given the article on the 5.0 where Ford's engineers stated that the stock rods are currently maxed out in terms of their loads. I for one wouldn't put any mods on the car for at least a year. I'm happy to let someone else be the guinea pig.

 

I'd be willing to blow my money on a Roush or Whipple supercharger kit (pun intended) than other kits.
And yes that's what I was talking about

 

Im with you. Wait and see some dyno #'s to see what is worth the money and safe for the car. 412 is pretty good stock and 100 hp that i have now so im in no rush.

 

Yes, I agree. Plus, you are going to have to come up with the cash for the supercharger, or else fold it into the loan if you get it from Ford Racing. The car I'm ordering is already about 34k even with the X-plan. A supercharger would put the cost of the car over 40k. Too much for me!

 

Stronger rods would/could/should be an easy upgrade, whether on a factory model (Boss) or aftermarket. I think offering fairly max'ed out rods on the 5.0 is probably the biggest flaw in an otherwise excellent new engine that a lot of people will start modding about 7.5 minutes after they first pull one up into their garage, but one that is very easily rectified.

My fear is that modded 5.0s will start launching rods through the hood and the motor will get a glass-jaw reputation that Ford will have to address. Ford engineers only have to surf around the Web to see the crowd of turbo and super chargers offered for the 4.6 to realize that the basic motor will need to be capable of handling well over 100 extra hp at a minimum.

The 5.0's basic design, though, looks very stout and well thought out from a performance point of view.

 

Perhaps the kits for the Coyote will come with forged connecting rods, maybe new pistons, too? I'll be more than satisfied with the stock 412hp but it will still be interesting to see how Ford Racing, Roush, etc handle the new V8.

 

Nah, these kits will be like the current batch.
No engine tear downs or anything. They'll meant to be plug and play.

If you stick with the safe tunes from these companies, you'll be ok.
If you start messing with them, I'm sure you'll start to see things break.

If you look at the current cealing levels of the 4.6 they stop just short of the MY GT500.
I expect this to be no different.

 

500-550hp

 

Perhaps, but that would represent a huge increase in cost and effort involved (pulling and tearing down a motor) over the plug and play kits available for the 4.6.

Perhaps Ford will offer a heavy duty option for the 5.0 with heavy duty internal parts but the same state of tune so it wouldn't need to be recertified (EPA, CAFE and all that) to keep prices down.

 

I haven't gone looking for it, but I'm sure I read somewhere the engineers had designed the bottom end to handle moderate (5-6??) lbs of boost, because they knew we'd want it. And the new GT350 is supercharged, did they replace the rods?

 

no they didnt change the rods.

they also stated that the car with the charger is producing 500-550HP, with " A VERY CONSERVATIVE TUNE" and that a good tech could wrangle another 50-70hp just with aggressive tuning..

i read that right after the shelby was introduce.. also watched the shelby vid .. not sure where which i got that info from but it is there..

 

Nobody but the Shelby American people know yet what they are doing for the boosted GT350 motors since no details have been released yet.

And you can be sure that none of the blower kits will come with any new internal engine parts.

And if you were to change the connecting rods, then you for sure would want to swap pistons too. No sense tearing the motor all the way down without doing both.

 

You think Shelby is doing the tuning on this bad boy?
I'll take that bet.

 

Amazing isn't it? Shelby is a bolt on parts facility. They have no clue about PCM calibration. Shelby does zero engineering. They are essentially a performance shop that sells and installs what others invent. They aren't even at the level of Brenspeed and others. Those guys tune.

 

Have no idea who does the tuning for Shelby American, never said anything about tuning. What I said was that NOBODY except the people at Shelby knows for a fact yet what Shelby is doing to the supercharged GT350, as far as engine content or boost or anything, because they have not released ANY details yet.

 

Actually amyb has stated they are not upgrading the R/A. They have released a ton of details. Read her posts on teamshelby.com.

 

The people who are tuning the kit know...
that's my point. Infact, they'd know before Shelby.

Shelby has to be able to stand behind the car, so selling a car that is a ticking timebomb is not in their best interest.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that the final tune on the car is within spitting distance of whatever kit whipple has to offer, which goes through some pretty beefy testing.

 

If you get the Ford Racing kit installed by a dealer before delivery wouldn't it be covered by warranty?

 

Correct, unless stated otherwise...
Length of the warranty is another issue altogether.