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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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Record stays in 1985...

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/05/f...om-the-chevro/

Last time Camaro beat Mustang in sales was 1985...close in 2009...not so much in 2010!
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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Yes! its about time they posted it!
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:08 PM
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Month over month the Camaro outsold it.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:15 PM
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And this is with a lot of people not buying '10s because they were waiting on the '11s. Myself included.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:32 PM
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almost hate to admit it on this site, but bought one of those 85 camaros new...sorry for contributing to chevy outselling ford

Actually wasnt a bad car except the tranny was always breaking...1-2 accuumulator piston spring broke, chewed a hole thru the seperator plate, Throttle valve spring broke, governor gear stripped off locking in in low gear(wife drove it home on the highway without blowing the engine somehow!)

lastly the forward sprag broke- that was a VERY interesting deal, as I had the priveledge of designing a drill to put the angled lube holes in the revised part in 86...was a tiny little machine we ran as a interim job till toledo hydramatic got their new inline transfer up and running(larger sprag had different lube angle)- we ended up running that job a year and a half, then TH bought our little drill to REPLACE the 1.2 million dollar transfer machine that didnt work...our machine was cheap- put 2 of them together with a budget of 6500.00 !
When I tore that tranny apart the last time and saw the sprag all chewed up was like- HEY I KNOW THAT PART!... another funny aside to that- went to IMTS in 86 and a company called WERA from germany had their 'profilator' running at the toolshow- cutting the notches on the face of the sprag where the clutch drum attached- weird machine- looked like a lathe and rotating cutters crosskeyed the face as it rotated simultaneously...tool geometry has to swing from positive to negative thru the cut but it looked great and did the job (cut 6 notches about 1/2x1/2 out of the face) in like 3 seconds...wild machine- was just weird seeing a familiar part at IMTS
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
And this is with a lot of people not buying '10s because they were waiting on the '11s. Myself included.
and the '10 diaper design which many aren't pleased with... at least with the '11 the 5.0 gives many a reason to hold their nose on the rear end and buy anyway.

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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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That's good news.

In a few years both Chevy heads and Blue Ovalites may look back on this era and wish either would sell 1 car.

The future of muscle cars looks bleak. Buy 'em while you can.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 825LTRGT
That's good news.

In a few years both Chevy heads and Blue Ovalites may look back on this era and wish either would sell 1 car.

The future of muscle cars looks bleak. Buy 'em while you can.

I hope I'm wrong.
If only I was a few years older and out of college.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
Month over month the Camaro outsold it.
There must have been at least one month or more where it did not or they could not have beat them in the end
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Notch
If only I was a few years older and out of college.
Amen to that
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Month over month the Camaro outsold it.
Yep, but it's GM's own fault they didn't end up with the bragging rights, which are always based upon yearly sales numbers. The General should have made the effort to get the Camaro out a month or two sooner given them the potential for a real marketing coup.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by R3troGT
There must have been at least one month or more where it did not or they could not have beat them in the end
Camaro wasn't for sale until March 19th or something.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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Not a land slide for ford..but a win is a win i guess. Anyway good showing for the Bowtie boys!
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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Not a land slide for ford..but a win is a win i guess. Anyway good showing for the Bowtie boys!
I expected much more in terms of sales from the Camaro, regardless of when it went on sale. Given the fact that this was the year of its return after a several-year hiatus, not to mention the several years of touring the car around from show to show in concept form and all of the hype surrounding the Camaro, I'm surely surprised that it didn't absolutely trounce the Mustang in sales. Oh, well, congratulations to Ford.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Camaro is for mullets.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:47 PM
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Doesn't matter if Camaro if it sells more month by month.... even if in the beginning all the sales went to the Mustang. Final numbers are final numbers.

Bad year overall for mustang, but not really unforseen...the economy was crap.

The Camaro SHOULD have taken it to the carwash though... with that many years of pent up demand...
I'm more worried for the Camaro than the Mustang at this point.
Camaro has a MCE update coming and the Mustang a new look.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 825LTRGT
That's good news.

In a few years both Chevy heads and Blue Ovalites may look back on this era and wish either would sell 1 car.

The future of muscle cars looks bleak. Buy 'em while you can.

I hope I'm wrong.
I agree on this...the good old times are right now, but its a lot like 1970 again.

stuck in a unpopular war we're trying to end
fuel supplies dependent on unfriendlies that would love to destroy us- except they want our money
'terrorist' became a word
Highest performance cars ever are at dealers
Climate change proven by scientists has everyone worried about global cooling
government has a lot of unpopular crap in the works to protect us
government looking at limiting emissions to raise money- oops, I mean to slow global cooling
california setting technology stretching emissions requirements- now they are going to set the
standard for everyone
drugs are becoming bigger issue- but crack/meth now not lsd...


all thats missing in the next couple years to repeat pretty much everything:

reinstating the draft (could happen)
a Kent State type incident (haliburtons US detention camps/northcom/directive 51)
crazy insurance rates based on horsepower(why not? the 23,000.00 KR hood could cause this ball
to start rolling)
a new pinto/vega(volt/?)
dry gas stations(does too expensive to purchase=same?)

anyway- anyone out there dreaming of a musclecar, I wouldnt wait- the good ol'days are back, better than ever (for a while...)
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Doesn't matter if Camaro if it sells more month by month.... even if in the beginning all the sales went to the Mustang. Final numbers are final numbers.

Bad year overall for mustang, but not really unforseen...the economy was crap.

The Camaro SHOULD have taken it to the carwash though... with that many years of pent up demand...
I'm more worried for the Camaro than the Mustang at this point.
Camaro has a MCE update coming and the Mustang a new look.
Exactly, despite the hype and what was obviously the best effort Chevy could muster the Camaro didn't knock it out of the park sales-wise. Mustang had a mediocre year at best, but no carryover engines, including a by now woefully uncompetitive V6 had to hurt.
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