More confirmed 10' Mustang info!
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A few thoughts:
I had a 2.8 V6 Mustang II Ghia in 1974, not a bad car considering the fuel crisis at the time, but I had a 71 Demon 340 before that (I won't make that kind of mistake again!)
The new Auzzie Falcon Turbo 6 is faster than the V8
XR6T: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleD...51245&vf=12
0-100km/h: 5.1 seconds (0-62.5 mph)
0-400m: 13.4 seconds
XR8: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleD...51247&vf=12
0-100km/h: 6.3 seconds (0-62.5 mph)
0-400m: 14.4 seconds
Top speed after 400m: 166km/h (103.75 mph)
Of course there has been several 4 cylinder Mustangs over the years. Mustangs survive because they are less of a one trick Pony (pun intended!~) and are more flexible to the market demands than the Camaro/Challenger et al. No matter what, the Mustang will survive, it may take a 4 cylinder to do it, but the consumers will determine ultimately how it's packaged.
The Ecoboost is supposed to have a very flat and high torque curve.
I had a 2.8 V6 Mustang II Ghia in 1974, not a bad car considering the fuel crisis at the time, but I had a 71 Demon 340 before that (I won't make that kind of mistake again!)
The new Auzzie Falcon Turbo 6 is faster than the V8
XR6T: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleD...51245&vf=12
0-100km/h: 5.1 seconds (0-62.5 mph)
0-400m: 13.4 seconds
XR8: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleD...51247&vf=12
0-100km/h: 6.3 seconds (0-62.5 mph)
0-400m: 14.4 seconds
Top speed after 400m: 166km/h (103.75 mph)
Of course there has been several 4 cylinder Mustangs over the years. Mustangs survive because they are less of a one trick Pony (pun intended!~) and are more flexible to the market demands than the Camaro/Challenger et al. No matter what, the Mustang will survive, it may take a 4 cylinder to do it, but the consumers will determine ultimately how it's packaged.
The Ecoboost is supposed to have a very flat and high torque curve.
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I dont know too much about supercharges or turbos......I'd prefer NA myself, but this is pretty impressive, stock motor and exhaust
http://www.procharger.com/2005_mustang_stock.shtml
just thought I'd share that, not that im denying the potential of turbo'd supras or the forged internals of the 04' cobra motors, but there is a lot that can be done with the stock s197 motor.
http://www.procharger.com/2005_mustang_stock.shtml
just thought I'd share that, not that im denying the potential of turbo'd supras or the forged internals of the 04' cobra motors, but there is a lot that can be done with the stock s197 motor.
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just a bit of reference regarding the performance of a turbo v6: think back to the buick grand national with the blown 3.8. that thing would smoke many a v8 powered cars.
also, and this is now, not 15 years ago: audi will be producing a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo charged direct injected engine in their 2009 a4. this things makes over 250 lbft of torque, from a 4 cylinder!! a worked v6 with all the goodies will perform up the standards that we expect out of a v8.
it's important to remember that in the real world, where i live regular gas is selling for 4.40/gallon...it's time for some serious weight reduction in all vehicles produced, and some smaller displacement motors; this way you can have performance (both fuel economy and acceleration) that you can live with, without breaking the bank.
i will miss the rumble of a v8, though, no v6 in the world can replace that.
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also, and this is now, not 15 years ago: audi will be producing a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo charged direct injected engine in their 2009 a4. this things makes over 250 lbft of torque, from a 4 cylinder!! a worked v6 with all the goodies will perform up the standards that we expect out of a v8.
it's important to remember that in the real world, where i live regular gas is selling for 4.40/gallon...it's time for some serious weight reduction in all vehicles produced, and some smaller displacement motors; this way you can have performance (both fuel economy and acceleration) that you can live with, without breaking the bank.
i will miss the rumble of a v8, though, no v6 in the world can replace that.
jackg
06 sts6
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just a bit of reference regarding the performance of a turbo v6: think back to the buick grand national with the blown 3.8. that thing would smoke many a v8 powered cars.
also, and this is now, not 15 years ago: audi will be producing a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo charged direct injected engine in their 2009 a4. this things makes over 250 lbft of torque, from a 4 cylinder!! a worked v6 with all the goodies will perform up the standards that we expect out of a v8.
it's important to remember that in the real world, where i live regular gas is selling for 4.40/gallon...it's time for some serious weight reduction in all vehicles produced, and some smaller displacement motors; this way you can have performance (both fuel economy and acceleration) that you can live with, without breaking the bank.
i will miss the rumble of a v8, though, no v6 in the world can replace that.
jackg
06 sts6
also, and this is now, not 15 years ago: audi will be producing a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo charged direct injected engine in their 2009 a4. this things makes over 250 lbft of torque, from a 4 cylinder!! a worked v6 with all the goodies will perform up the standards that we expect out of a v8.
it's important to remember that in the real world, where i live regular gas is selling for 4.40/gallon...it's time for some serious weight reduction in all vehicles produced, and some smaller displacement motors; this way you can have performance (both fuel economy and acceleration) that you can live with, without breaking the bank.
i will miss the rumble of a v8, though, no v6 in the world can replace that.
jackg
06 sts6
http://wardsauto.com/reports/2006/te...da_motor_corp/
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Tee-hee, he's certainly stirred those boys up. Whilst I'd love to have seen the video, it would kill me not to have to spread the word. I'm glad he's excited about it though.
Hmm, Thunderbird-like tail lights? That doesn't sound like the taillights we've seen on the camo'd cars.
I'm guessing this is a photoshop, but this is this the look he's referring too?
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To me, it's not a Mustang unless it has a V8 under the hood. Seems like a crime to not offer it with a V8 when for last 40+ years it was an option, for the most part. It would be like replacing a Harley pushrod V-twin with a 600 cc, 17,000 rpm 4 cylinder engine. Yeah it would work and have more power, but it just isn't what it's supposed to be.
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Tee-hee, he's certainly stirred those boys up. Whilst I'd love to have seen the video, it would kill me not to have to spread the word. I'm glad he's excited about it though.
Hmm, Thunderbird-like tail lights? That doesn't sound like the taillights we've seen on the camo'd cars.
I'm guessing this is a photoshop, but this is this the look he's referring too?
Hmm, Thunderbird-like tail lights? That doesn't sound like the taillights we've seen on the camo'd cars.
I'm guessing this is a photoshop, but this is this the look he's referring too?
Not a bad idea if it is ... Lots of folks have bought the sequential tailights from aftermarket suppliers. Can't blame Ford for watching the market and trying to make a buck whre most folks seem to spend it on their cars after they buy one, right?
I got a feeling this 2011 stuff is going to be quite a fiasco. I just hope the 4 and 6 cylinder beasts don'r rear their heads yet (that can wait until 2014).
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http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/04/v...their-own-dsg/
Ford's working on DSG. It will start appearing in Volvo and FoE units first, but could/should make its way into the Mustang for the 201X generation.
Ford's working on DSG. It will start appearing in Volvo and FoE units first, but could/should make its way into the Mustang for the 201X generation.
i hope it does eventually filter down to the 'stang, thx for the info!
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"Ward's 10 Best" Why don't you check out all the 6 cylinder engines on that list that make MORE power get better mpg and have slightly less torque. Those engines are also NA. Sure you can put a supercharger on the 4.6 and it might run good for a while but it was not designed to handle boost, the engine internals are weak (not forged) and a stock 4.6 with a supercharger would still get raped by a single turbo supra or a built GN.
The point I was trying to make is that the current engine leaves a lot to be desired. A built TT 6 (with forged internals) is a much better platform for performance than the current (not forged internals) 4.6L V8. Now if they would give us forged internals like the 03/04 cobra and forced induction on the 4.6L I would say hell yeah, but the reality is thats not likely to happen. My 03 Cobra makes 448 rwhp with just a pulley/tune, CAI, and catback at a cost of less than $ 1,000 dollars. Now to make a current car have the same power cost $5,000 to $6,000 dollars and you still don't have the forged internals that the Cobra has. If you have a properly built forced induction engine 6 cylinder or 8 adding power is easy..... just turn up the boost.
The point I was trying to make is that the current engine leaves a lot to be desired. A built TT 6 (with forged internals) is a much better platform for performance than the current (not forged internals) 4.6L V8. Now if they would give us forged internals like the 03/04 cobra and forced induction on the 4.6L I would say hell yeah, but the reality is thats not likely to happen. My 03 Cobra makes 448 rwhp with just a pulley/tune, CAI, and catback at a cost of less than $ 1,000 dollars. Now to make a current car have the same power cost $5,000 to $6,000 dollars and you still don't have the forged internals that the Cobra has. If you have a properly built forced induction engine 6 cylinder or 8 adding power is easy..... just turn up the boost.
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"Ward's 10 Best" Why don't you check out all the 6 cylinder engines on that list that make MORE power get better mpg and have slightly less torque. Those engines are also NA. Sure you can put a supercharger on the 4.6 and it might run good for a while but it was not designed to handle boost, the engine internals are weak (not forged)
Lexus:
306/277
91 octane
Mileage 18/25
But despite all the advanced technology under the hood, the engine's performance further reflects Lexus' conundrum. How else can you describe an ultra-advanced, ultrarefined 306-hp engine that doesn't feel thrilling after mashing the accelerator pedal?
It also blasted through the quarter-mile in 14.2 seconds,(at 3500 lbs.)
Honda:
268/248
87 octane
Mileage 19/28
The Altima coupe we tested recently, with the V6 and CVT, ran zero to 60 mph in 6.4 seconds. We expect the Accord V6 with the automatic will be a little off that pace considering it weighs about 300 pounds more.
Cadillac:
304/273
91 octane?
Mileage 18/26
There's so much tire grip that the V6's meager 273 pound-feet of torque can't generate any useful wheelspin in our acceleration tests, and a flat spot in the engine's torque curve between 3,000 rpm and 4,000 rpm further compromises our results. This car's 6.5-second run to 60 mph is 0.6 second slower than Cadillac's claim.
Our run through the quarter-mile in 14.9 seconds at 94.6 mph also seems slower than what we'd expect from a 304-hp engine. Some of the explanation can be found in this car's as-tested weight of 3,990 pounds
Infinity:
330/270
91 octane
Mileage 18/24
it accelerated to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds and went through the quarter-mile in 13.9 seconds at 102.8 mph,
Bullitt:
315/320
87-91 octane
Mileage 15/23
Bullitt's 13.8 seconds to 102.1-mph quarter-mile performance is the best we've yet recorded for a production three-valve Mustang
So any slight mileage advanyage the higher output 6ers might hold is given back when you factor in the added cost of 91 octane fuel...
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Think before you post; PLEASE!
I was comparing a blown motor with forged internals vs a NA motor with junk internals. The Cobra example along with the Supra and Gran National is just that, an example of what is possible with a better built motor. Is a forced induction V8 even on the table for the new GT? Not that I am aware of, so if left with a choice of a NA V8 that can't even match the horsepower of NA V6's or a TT V6 with a built motor, I would take the TT V6 for the reasons that I have already stated. Sure I would prefer a forced inducted V8 (not even on the table) over any other choice or a NA V8 that makes 400 hp (possible if you believe the reports) but the current 4.6L just doesn't measure up..
), and your limited production forged COBRA, limited production GN, and limited production Supra with a volume-based GT.
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Well with the mustang being the only true pony car on the market today, you have to compare it to what would be its closest competitors in the market and those cars you have listed would most likely be its competitors so in that case I am comparing them correctly. What else do we have to compare it too??? If you are worried about gas mileage and having to use a higher octane gas then you need to go buy yourself a hybrid. The point is, (that you can't seem to get) we are talking about FUTURE ENGINES for the new mustang. I was stating that the current engine is weak compared to other current engines, that is a fact plain and simple. I don't care about buying higher octane gas if I have more power and if you search around this site you will see that a number of people have added CAI's to their cars which in most cases requires you to get a tune and run premium gas in order to get any real gains. So I think it would be safe to say that most mustang buyers would pay for premium gas if you gave them an engine with 400 hp. I never said that the current v6 engines are forged... (AGAIN, LEARN HOW TO READ!!) I said that I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FORGED ENGINE IN THE NEW MUSTANG. The cobra, supra and GN are examples of what I would like to see for the new car and what is possible if you have that type of engine. I am a true high performance minded guy, I could care less about which octane gas I buy, I own a 03 cobra for crying out loud. The problem is that the current mustang could be so much more. The current 4.6L while smooth running, leaves a lot to be desired if you are into high performance. I also own an 06 GT that I drive every day and while I love the looks and ride, it is kind of sad that I have to be careful of getting smoked by some kid in his mom's honda.
Well with the mustang being the only true pony car on the market today, you have to compare it to what would be its closest competitors in the market and those cars you have listed would most likely be its competitors so in that case I am comparing them correctly. What else do we have to compare it too??? If you are worried about gas mileage and having to use a higher octane gas then you need to go buy yourself a hybrid. The point is, (that you can't seem to get) we are talking about FUTURE ENGINES for the new mustang. I was stating that the current engine is weak compared to other current engines, that is a fact plain and simple. I don't care about buying higher octane gas if I have more power and if you search around this site you will see that a number of people have added CAI's to their cars which in most cases requires you to get a tune and run premium gas in order to get any real gains. So I think it would be safe to say that most mustang buyers would pay for premium gas if you gave them an engine with 400 hp. I never said that the current v6 engines are forged... (AGAIN, LEARN HOW TO READ!!) I said that I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FORGED ENGINE IN THE NEW MUSTANG. The cobra, supra and GN are examples of what I would like to see for the new car and what is possible if you have that type of engine. I am a true high performance minded guy, I could care less about which octane gas I buy, I own a 03 cobra for crying out loud. The problem is that the current mustang could be so much more. The current 4.6L while smooth running, leaves a lot to be desired if you are into high performance. I also own an 06 GT that I drive every day and while I love the looks and ride, it is kind of sad that I have to be careful of getting smoked by some kid in his mom's honda.