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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
.... more fuel efficient V6 models, which is pretty much a high schooler's / secretary's car now.
More like Engineers...System Analysists....

I didn't buy the V6 because of the mileage (1 - 2 miles per gallon is not that great of a savings). The V6 loaded was 9k less than a GT with the same options. I love the sound of the GT but couldn't justify the money at the time.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Grey03
The current 4.6 is a joke at 300 hp when you have a number of v6 engines with nearly a liter less in displacement making the same or more power.
Pick a category:
V8 Torque
V6 comparible Power with Weak Sauce Torque but HP numbers at super high revs

I'll take TORQUE for the MFW Alex
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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Remember, hp is just a number. Torque is what moves the car. I'll take torque any day of the week.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SixtySix
1980 was even worse. The 255 ci V8 was only capable of 119 HP!

Worst V8 EVER!!!!
Your absolutely right Tony, it was by far the worst V8 in Ford history. IIRC it wasn't until 1982 before we saw the return of the 302 ci V8 once again.

You would think that even after 28 years have passed by, the worst V8 in Mustang history would still remain fresh within my memory.

Especially after knowing that Ford allowed such an abomination to remain in the Mustang for 2 years.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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Meh, just give me a V8.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SINBUSTER007
thanks for the clarification on the no v8 year. i just cant see how they can let a status symbol and probably one of the cars that carried ford thru its slow times to not include a v8 in the lineup. yes i know that they are getting ridiculous number from v6's but come one, do we all want to be ricers here? i dont. at least i rumble coming down the road instead of flying an airplane down the road!
like i said, they can control the computer now to get better fuel mileage. we've all found ways to get more HP out of our current and probably will continue to do so in the future. not sure if i would buy a mustang if they didnt offer a V8. maybe buy one of the older models instead but not a new one. just my 2 cents...
The reason during those slow times, was Ford didn't posses it's Electronic Fuel Injection technology, until 1987.

Although Ford began using speed density FI in 1984-86. Compression ratio's didn't really start to improve, until Ford converted over to EFI in 1987.

As I mentioned before, Ford just didn't have the technology during those slow times, to effectively overcome the federal regulation emission restrictions, during that period !

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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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So uh......when did Ford officially announce this? And is there an article or a link to their conformation?
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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If conceptually approved...

We won't actually hear about it until the car is announced...

This year/next year (depending on when they plan on using it..which could be 2010 or 2011...heck even farther)
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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While I'm disappointed to hear more "confirmation" of something that has been rumored for several months, I'm certainly not surprised. I would also not be surprised to see Ford offer the EcoBoost 6 in the GT as an "option" along side the new 5.0L. In the coming years, the V8 may very well be regulated to SE and SVT models only
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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I dont know......I'll wait until its actually official, not just conceptually offical. I'd rather them offer the I4TT instead of a V6 to help Ford's fleet MPG. I dont think anyone buys a V6 mustang for its engine.....the EcoBoost 4 would make a lot of sense, at least to me it does. The V6TT.......not so much.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SINBUSTER007
thanks for the clarification on the no v8 year. i just cant see how they can let a status symbol and probably one of the cars that carried ford thru its slow times to not include a v8 in the lineup. yes i know that they are getting ridiculous number from v6's but come one, do we all want to be ricers here? i dont. at least i rumble coming down the road instead of flying an airplane down the road!
like i said, they can control the computer now to get better fuel mileage. we've all found ways to get more HP out of our current and probably will continue to do so in the future. not sure if i would buy a mustang if they didnt offer a V8. maybe buy one of the older models instead but not a new one. just my 2 cents...
Sorry, but the Buick T-Type/GN/GNX, GMC Syclone/Typhoon, and Porsche's flat sixes are proof that turbocharged 6's aren't a "ricer-only" thing. The Buicks, in particular were GM's "dirty little secret" at the time since they were faster than the Corvette, which is a big corporate . One doesn't really have to say much more about the horsepower and torque output of the 911 turbo's engine either. While I prefer the V8 sound myself, I'd take a TT "GT350/GT370" road course-killing Mustang - in Wimbledon white w/blue stripes please! It seems V6s are the new V8 in light of increasing CAFE standards and rising fuel costs, yet it is highly doubtful Ford will ever do away with a V8-engined Mustang.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:26 PM
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For those doubting the truth of my info, I read the info in both the New York Times and Motor Trend's web sight Ford had a press conference dealing with the changes made in the "Way Forward Plan" Though it dealt with many changes the one and only mention of the Mustang in the piece was that Ford had confirmed that the Eco Boost would be in the next Mustang.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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It was in the NY Times? ****, I gotta check it out. Anyways, it said the V6TT? I really wish they wouldnt do that, but if thats the truth, then I'm curious to find out when and how they'll do it. I just feel the I4TT would make more sense. Hell, maybe they'll use both. Who knows at this point.

Do you have a link to the Motortrend article.....I cant find it. Thanks.

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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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Phil, just as long as were still able to get the 5.0L 400HP GDI for the Mustang GT, in 2011. Even if it has to be optional.

The V6TT ecoboost, will also be fine as either standard or optional.

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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 11:03 PM
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For some reason I can't find the bigger article but i've pasted the summery article in Motor Trend's web sight

Finding the Way Forward: Ford shuffles the product deck


By Mike Connor


Now that Jaguar and Land Rover are gone, Ford Motor Company is down to just four-and-a-half brands -- Ford, Lincoln-Mercury (with the Mercury bit slowly fading into obscurity), Volvo, and Mazda. For Ford's North American nameplates, product shifts beyond those that chief Alan Mulally has been spilling are coming into, uh, focus.


1. A Mustang with an EcoBoost V-6 engine has been approved, although it might not be the first Ford (after the Lincoln MKS) in line. The direct-injection, turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 in the Mustang will make more than the 4.6-liter V-8's 300 horsepower and probably get 2-mpg better EPA results. Expect the EcoBoost to follow the facelift on the '10 Mustang.

2. The 2010 Ford Fusion will probably beat Mustang to the EcoBoost party. This means an all-wheel-drive, performance-oriented Fusion, and we all know what the SVT Contour did for the Contour. The '10 Fusion will be all-new, with the '07 Mondeo's EUCD underpinnings replacing the current model's Mazda-based CD3 platform.

3. The '09 Ford Flex and the Lincoln version, based on the Detroit show MKT concept, also are in line to get EcoBoost V-6s. Our guess is a 3.5-liter turbo for the Ford and a 3.7-liter turbo for the Lincoln, like the MKS sedan. The Flex will need it to compete with the '09 Chevy Traverse's 286-horsepower direct-injection 3.6-liter V-6.


4. Question: does Mercury get a second-generation Milan? Answer: not if the next-generation Lincoln MKZ, also on the EUCD platform, starts where well-equipped Fusions finish.

5. Ford has an all-new Escape launching in 2009. A Lincoln version will be ready for 2010, while there is no Mercury Mariner replacement in the works. So if the Milan gets cut, Mercury is left only with the Sable, perhaps. This is the discussion rumored to be leading to Mercury's eventual demise.

6. The all-new Ford Taurus' design should be locked in to place soon, but its platform may take longer to sort out. It could return on the D3 architecture or switch to the CD3 platform. If the Taurus abandons D3, however, that would leave only the Taurus X and Lincoln MKS on it, which is probably not enough volume to make it cost-effective. Mulally promised it as a 2010 model, which implies late-'09 release, but the project is said to be slipping to early '10.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 11:23 PM
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Other than a Mustang EcoBoost TTV6 being approved, along with making more power than the current 4.6L V8. There's really not much more to base that article upon, at this point.

In the meantime, until we hear more. I would rely on what we do know, at present.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 11:58 PM
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I'll ALWAYS want a V8 in my Mustang. I don't care how powerful or economical a V6TT or I4TT can get. I will still want a V8 Mustang... and I don't want to pay a premium for it as well.

I've said it before, and I will say it again... the day that Ford drop the V8 from the Mustang, is the day I am no longer a customer.

I don't buy into 'climate change', it's all a conspiracy. No one can tell me in the billions of years that this planet has been about, that the human race has in the past 100 to 200 years or so managed to destroy our environment due to industrial revolution. Our planet is naturally evolving and has been doing so for billions of years. So I don't buy into this 'green' thing at all.

I want to drive my V8 car and feel proud of it.

Ford, bring back the 390GT, a 5.0 litre V8 with 390 bhp would be perfect. We can then tune it to over 400 bhp ourselves!

Oh, and never drop the V8... please! ...Oh, and yes, it has to be affordable (like the current GT!)

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
For some reason I can't find the bigger article but i've pasted the summery article in Motor Trend's web sight
Remember to take all this with a generous helping of salt, MT's track record on this sort of thing has ranged from not great to horridly inaccurate.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:11 AM
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I agree I want a V8. If it has to be optional so be it. A 5.0L GDI and 400 horsies is what everyone wants...especially if its in a boss....or maybe a 5.4 in a boss that be better...
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hi5.0
Sorry, but the Buick T-Type/GN/GNX, GMC Syclone/Typhoon, and Porsche's flat sixes are proof that turbocharged 6's aren't a "ricer-only" thing.
Agreed! I would love to have a GNX, and the Cyclones/Typhoons may have been rough around the edges but were darn cool!!
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