Heads up! California GT Induction/Exhaust Aftermarket Add Ons
4/17/11, 02:47 PM
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Heads up! California GT Induction/Exhaust Aftermarket Add Ons
Guys,
Was looking at adding CAI and maybe headers to my incoming GT Premium to get better breathing and better economy (OK, and maybe a couple more HP
).
Am a Nevada resident, but I have to keep the car California emissions legal, and having had a recent run-in with the California smog ***** (aka the Ca. Air Resources Board - CARB) regarding headers on my Acura CL, I decided to do some research http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showt...rnia+emissions.
To be legally installed on a CA emissions vehicle, an aftermarket emissions-related part (CAI, Headers) must be CARB certified via a testing and approval process worthy of a George Orwell short story, and issued an "Engineering Order", or EO number. The manufacturer must identify the part with the EO number, or the owner is summarily deposited in the midst of a world of bureaucratic crap.
Thus forewarned, I went to the list of EOs*, and searched for the 5.0L Mustang, either 2010 or 2011..... <birds chirping> ..... NO EOs have been approved for the 5.0L 2010/2011 engine...
Bottom line... as of today, there are NO CAIs or headers that are approved for installation on the 2010-11 5.0...
Does anyone know if any manufacturers are doing CARB certification for CAIs or headers?
* http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...Search+for+EOs
Was looking at adding CAI and maybe headers to my incoming GT Premium to get better breathing and better economy (OK, and maybe a couple more HP
). Am a Nevada resident, but I have to keep the car California emissions legal, and having had a recent run-in with the California smog ***** (aka the Ca. Air Resources Board - CARB) regarding headers on my Acura CL, I decided to do some research http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showt...rnia+emissions.
To be legally installed on a CA emissions vehicle, an aftermarket emissions-related part (CAI, Headers) must be CARB certified via a testing and approval process worthy of a George Orwell short story, and issued an "Engineering Order", or EO number. The manufacturer must identify the part with the EO number, or the owner is summarily deposited in the midst of a world of bureaucratic crap.
Thus forewarned, I went to the list of EOs*, and searched for the 5.0L Mustang, either 2010 or 2011..... <birds chirping> ..... NO EOs have been approved for the 5.0L 2010/2011 engine...
Bottom line... as of today, there are NO CAIs or headers that are approved for installation on the 2010-11 5.0...
Does anyone know if any manufacturers are doing CARB certification for CAIs or headers?
* http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...Search+for+EOs
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4/17/11, 04:40 PM
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Well, in all reality the 5.0 is a "new" engine. It has only been in production since 2011 MY and the crap the manufacturers have to go through to get it CARB approved can take some time. I believe there were a few for the 4.6 that were CARB approved and I'm sure those same guys will be trying to get it for the new 5.0 parts. I hate to say it, but this is one reason I'm glad I'm not stationed there. I won't have to deal with emissions till i have to get it smogged in 6 years.
4/18/11, 09:50 AM
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Yup, nothing new there.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
4/18/11, 10:29 AM
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Yup, nothing new there.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
Agree! I moved out of CA to Vegas four years ago, but still have a condo and a car in the Peoples' Republic of California...
4/18/11, 10:32 AM
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The rep from the header manufacturer said he'd seen an uptick in the same problem, meaning the smog ***** likely sent out a memo to the techs to be on the lookout...
4/18/11, 10:34 AM
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4/18/11, 12:10 PM
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Yup, nothing new there.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
You won't see a CARB approved CAI or any long tube headers.
There is a hydrocarbon "trap" in the lid of the stock air box and that has to be kept in place and functional to pass CARB requirements so there is no way to do that on an open CAI.
And for long tubes, the cats get relocated and that is also a no-no for CARB so you are SOL there too.
And the factory shorty headers are so good that replacing them with aftermarket shorty's is a waste.
So, be satisfied with just doing a tune and a cat-back on your California car or get the hell out of California.
4/18/11, 12:30 PM
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4/18/11, 12:36 PM
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Yea, it will be nice to move back eventually. I just plan on finding a place up in the foothills or mountains where they aren't as strict on that stuff.
4/18/11, 02:14 PM
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I think he was saying it'd be easy to run an "illegal" CAI, then swap in the stock intake on the day you take it in for smog testing. Then, once having passed smog testing, it'd be relatively easy to re-install the "illegal" CAI. Of course, this doesn't protect you from spot-checks if you draw attention to yourself...
4/18/11, 02:46 PM
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Not to mention new cars are exempt for smog tests for the first 6 yrs. in Cali. I am running only 2 200cpi metallic cats on my M3 with removed primaries along with an AFE Stg. 2 intake. I held on to the stock parts, so when it comes time to smog or sell the car I can return it to the OEM configuration.
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4/18/11, 02:57 PM
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Pahahahaha, there are plenty in California with after market parts that aren't carb approved.. There are thousands driving around with no front plate, tint, and after market exhaust that isn't carb approved (it's not like your committing murder, some people just like to have a little fun). Not to mention superchargers/turbos and all that fun stuff... It depends where you live in Cali, how strict they are, and HOW YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR. Most of the newer mustangs are presentable, its the older civics, preludes, and integras that are modified that gets picked on. After the 6 years of owning my car I just had a smog test and passed by swapping my modified intake and exhaust.
My Acura (mostly stock, very clean) had passed two inspections till it popped this last go around... Headaches, hassles and more money spent for a second unnecessary check due to the pinheads at CARB...
4/18/11, 03:10 PM
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If caught, the tech loses his license and gets a huge fine... the CARB "incentive" to do what der Furher says..
Big Brother is alive and well in Khalifohrnia...
4/18/11, 04:57 PM
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4/18/11, 06:49 PM
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Yea part of the reason I feel they aren't so strict out here is because where I live is home to a lot of harley and rod runs. There are choppers screamin around here with exhaust that sound about 3 times as loud as my stang, literally.. If you drive your car like a respectable person you should be fine..Don't get me wrong I definently get on it but there is always the right time and place...