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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 04:52 PM
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You and I are in the same boat.

I'll state once again for people, Kenne Bell has installed a supercharger on a new 5.0 and it outperformed the Shelby. What more do you need to hear? I do however like that the Shelby comes with a TR6060 but it might be awhile before that tranny is ever put on a new 5.0 by Ford. We can always dream though.....
the TR6060 is having more than it's fair share of problems with the 2010-2012 gt500's as well. it is most certainly not god's gift to the transmission world. just google it and you will see sticky's on almost every forum with tons of owners complaining about 1-2 grinding and inability to get into gear and the fix is to have the 1,2 synchros replaced and this seems to fix it for most people in these cases. i would feel REALLY bad if i paid 50-60k for a car with tranny problems compared to 5.0 folk who paid on average 10-15k less.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cababah

the TR6060 is having more than it's fair share of problems with the 2010-2012 gt500's as well. it is most certainly not god's gift to the transmission world. just google it and you will see sticky's on almost every forum with tons of owners complaining about 1-2 grinding and inability to get into gear and the fix is to have the 1,2 synchros replaced and this seems to fix it for most people in these cases. i would feel REALLY bad if i paid 50-60k for a car with tranny problems compared to 5.0 folk who paid on average 10-15k less.
Comedy ^
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 06:05 PM
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I guess I just always assumed that if someone had money for either one, they'd go with the gt500. I didn't buy my GT cuz I like it better than a Shelby... No dinero
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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I saw a 2011 Shelby a couple nights ago. Agreed, they're head turners but that's mostly because of the exhaust system. While the 5.4L has proven time and again that it's a good motor, it's outdated and Ford knows it. They need to seriously invest and design a new motor and use a better supercharger. The Eaton 2.3L is also very outdated in my opinion. Hopefully the 2013 model has abunch of new design features.
I love the GT500's motor. Smooth, powerful, and it sounds sweet. The only thing I'd like changed is higher rpm. I know, easier said than done. Dam, in the blink of an eye I hit the rev limiter. It's tough coming off that cloud when the supercharger is pushing you back in the seat!
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:17 PM
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I wish they'd take the 6.2L SVT Raptor motor and supercharge it and throw it into a Shelby and see what happens. Anyone else think that'd be a good idea?

On the TR6060, instead of taking it in to get the synchros repaired, they could just switch to a better shifter assembly. MGW? I've heard of people switching and all their tranny problems went away. Just what I've heard. I'm anxious to see what the coming years bring for the GT500.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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GT for sure. Near 400RWHP with some pretty basic mods. I don't really want to spend 50Gs on a Mustang. Plus I would never be able to take advantage of the HP difference often enough to justify the price. If you get bored you with GT you could slap a supercharger on it. I can see why they sell though, I'd love to have a Shelby.

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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:33 PM
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I had a 2011 5.0 and traded for a gt500 and can only say night and day 5.0 tranny was terrible, Like so many others.Bought shelby at d plan [45000] Dont really know how the 5.0 motors are going to stay alive with 650hp with no forged internals? Not to say the trannys and rearends.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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I can't find a fault with the GT500 with the SVTPP. After a long list of previous SEs this is the best and most satisfying Mustang ever regardless of Ford's claims. Its quality, proven reliavility, performance, improved handling, and unique design makes it my favorite car. Add the current x-plan offer to those who qualify and it's a winner.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackMamba03
I wish they'd take the 6.2L SVT Raptor motor and supercharge it and throw it into a Shelby and see what happens. Anyone else think that'd be a good idea?

On the TR6060, instead of taking it in to get the synchros repaired, they could just switch to a better shifter assembly. MGW? I've heard of people switching and all their tranny problems went away. Just what I've heard. I'm anxious to see what the coming years bring for the GT500.
I think a 351 would be big enough with a blower, although my dad always thought bigger (460) was better. I agree with the shifter change on the 500. I believe most of the people with issues with the tremec are having them because of the spongy shifter.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
Comedy ^
oh look, it's mr .1% of the population. hai thar
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cababah

the TR6060 is having more than it's fair share of problems with the 2010-2012 gt500's as well. it is most certainly not god's gift to the transmission world. just google it and you will see sticky's on almost every forum with tons of owners complaining about 1-2 grinding and inability to get into gear and the fix is to have the 1,2 synchros replaced and this seems to fix it for most people in these cases. i would feel REALLY bad if i paid 50-60k for a car with tranny problems compared to 5.0 folk who paid on average 10-15k less.
Yeah I read about people having those problems but I put in a ford racing short shifter the day I got mine and have never had a single bad shift.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackMamba03
On the TR6060, instead of taking it in to get the synchros repaired, they could just switch to a better shifter assembly. MGW? I've heard of people switching and all their tranny problems went away. Just what I've heard. I'm anxious to see what the coming years bring for the GT500.
Even with a good shifter you can lunch the synchros, Tremec did a good job of shoring up the gears but in doing so they narrowed the synchros and to try an compensate they added the a bunch of smaller teeth to the synchro which are more easily damaged. An aftermarket shifter only addresses a sloppy shifter, it doesn't do anything to increase the strength of the synchro and if its particulalry short throw and narrow of gate, it might exasperate the problem.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bob
Even with a good shifter you can lunch the synchros, Tremec did a good job of shoring up the gears but in doing so they narrowed the synchros and to try an compensate they added the a bunch of smaller teeth to the synchro which are more easily damaged. An aftermarket shifter only addresses a sloppy shifter, it doesn't do anything to increase the strength of the synchro and if its particulalry short throw and narrow of gate, it might exasperate the problem.
So then what do you recommend? I see you're driving a Shelby. Do you have any tranny issues?
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bob

Even with a good shifter you can lunch the synchros, Tremec did a good job of shoring up the gears but in doing so they narrowed the synchros and to try an compensate they added the a bunch of smaller teeth to the synchro which are more easily damaged. An aftermarket shifter only addresses a sloppy shifter, it doesn't do anything to increase the strength of the synchro and if its particulalry short throw and narrow of gate, it might exasperate the problem.
Almost a year and no grind while power shifting. I must have the special edition 6060.

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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
Almost a year and no grind while power shifting. I must have the special edition 6060.
hmm let me go find an owner with the mt-82 who isn't having problems and extrapolate that to mean that ALL cars are perfect! brilliant!

i like the way you think.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 07:57 PM
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Didnt this thread start with OP wanting help choosing between a GT and Shelby? And now its degraded to just another pissing match over the MT82? When will the madness end? what have you done to us jmatero?
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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hmm let me go find an owner with the mt-82 who isn't having problems and extrapolate that to mean that ALL cars are perfect! brilliant!

i like the way you think.
No, I'm pointing out how lucky I am. Yay and OP, they're both GT's, one of them is just a heck of a lot better.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackMamba03
So then what do you recommend? I see you're driving a Shelby. Do you have any tranny issues?
Just be careful, sounds corny, but I've managed to hang my transmission up even with the more precise MGW.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
Yay and OP, they're both GT's, one of them is just a heck of a lot better.
Yep, the lighter, more nimble "regular" GT. In all seriousness, though, I must be lucky, too, because, other than an occasionally notchy 1-2 shift, my GT's transmission has worked flawlessly... knock on wood (watch, it'll probably go out Monday on my way to work or something). I think most problems with the MT-82 can be attributed to the pathetically-fixtured shifter, and not a problem with the transmission itself. I say that because, after reading some reviews of the new MGW shifter (it replaces all fixturing in addition to the shifter itself), the "quirks" of the stock shifter are gone and the resulting setup lends itself to shifts that are "crisp" and "effortless." As is typically the case, those who have issues are obviously going to be more vocal than those who don't.

Or, since OP has all sorts of disposable income, why not add a Boss to the mix? Motor Trend had some awfully impressive things to say about it (granted, they reviewed a Boss LS).

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p..._boss_302.html

1. Ferrari 458 Italia
2. Nissan GT-R
3. Porsche 911 GT3 RS
4. Porsche Cayman R
5. Ford Mustang BOSS 302 Laguna Seca
6. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07
7. Audi R8 GT
8. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
9. Lexus LFA
10. BMW 1 Series M Coupe
11. Lotus Evora S
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ

Or, since OP has all sorts of disposable income, why not add a Boss to the mix? Motor Trend had some awfully impressive things to say about it (granted, they reviewed a Boss LS)
Yeah, the regular Boss for daily driving, the LS would wear thin after having to change the tires every 2nd oil change The P-Zero Corsas fitted to the LS wear even worse than the Michelin Sport Cup planned for the ZL1
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