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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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gt500 for sure, definitely a head turner
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:19 PM
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If you're planning on going with the supercharger route, I'd go with the GT. 5.0 Mustangs Magazine did an article and the GT outperformed the Shelby. Having said that, I'd still wait for the 2013's to come out. Both cars will get getting upgrades in almost every aspect of the car.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:30 PM
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Why not wait until 2020. You will get best GT500 ever build
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Studly_Studright
gt500 for sure, definitely a head turner

I saw a 2011 Shelby a couple nights ago. Agreed, they're head turners but that's mostly because of the exhaust system. While the 5.4L has proven time and again that it's a good motor, it's outdated and Ford knows it. They need to seriously invest and design a new motor and use a better supercharger. The Eaton 2.3L is also very outdated in my opinion. Hopefully the 2013 model has abunch of new design features.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackMamba03
If you're planning on going with the supercharger route, I'd go with the GT. 5.0 Mustangs Magazine did an article and the GT outperformed the Shelby. Having said that, I'd still wait for the 2013's to come out. Both cars will get getting upgrades in almost every aspect of the car.
And the 2013 GT500 is expected to get a bump in price close to $60k ... plus dealer mark-ups.

Amazing what you can do with $20k+ to a 5.0
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
And the 2013 GT500 is expected to get a bump in price close to $60k ... plus dealer mark-ups.

Amazing what you can do with $20k+ to a 5.0
Ohh gosh, don't even get me started on what I'd do with an extra $20k to my car.......
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 04:32 PM
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Well if you've got a fair amount of cash get the GT500 and turn it into a Super Snake.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
And the 2013 GT500 is expected to get a bump in price close to $60k ... plus dealer mark-ups.

Amazing what you can do with $20k+ to a 5.0
What?! Where'd you hear that? I really doubt the next-generation GT500 will be that much more expensive... at least I hope it won't...
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 06:10 PM
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While the 5.4L has proven time and again that it's a good motor, it's outdated and Ford knows it.
Really? You mean shedding pounds with an all aluminum block and the PTWA cylinder liners wasn't anything? More horsepower with 100# less weight? Only this engine got the cutting edge new technology. No (alleged) #8 failures, tried and true.

Although the 2011 GT500 is the first Ford vehicle to use PTWA-coated cylinder bores, Ford has licensed the technology to Nissan, which is using it on the bores of the GT-R’s turbocharged V6.
The new Shelby V8 is derived from the supercharged DOHC, four-valve, all-aluminum engine that powered the Ford GT supercar. It will be rated at 550 hp and 510 lb·ft (410 kW and 691 N·m, respectively), a 10-hp (7.4-kW) increase from the 2010 iron-block engine.
The new engine produces 80% of peak torque between 1750 and 6250 rpm. Upgrades including six-bolt aluminum-billet main bearing caps and a larger twin-row intercooler (providing 40% more cooling capacity) assist the power increase in all operating conditions.
Also helping to deliver the additional power is a new, throatier 2.75-in (70-mm) exhaust.
Shelby Mustang owners will delight in the fact that the 2011 GT500 is the first contemporary Shelby vehicle that does not carry a gas guzzler tax. Its EPA estimated fuel economy numbers are 23 mpg highway/15 mpg city, up from 22/14 mpg for the 2010 car. Fuel-economy gains come from the new aluminum-block engine that is 102 lb (46 kg) lighter, electronic power steering, and various aerodynamic changes to the vehicle.

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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Really? You mean shedding pounds with an all aluminum block and the PTWA cylinder liners wasn't anything? More horsepower with 100# less weight? Only this engine got the cutting edge new technology. No (alleged) #8 failures, tried and true.

While losing 100 pounds off the front end and lining the cylinders among other things, I'd still think Ford would be thinking of updating the motor soon. What'd I'd really like to see is the 6.2L used in the SVT Raptor along with an upgraded supercharger. You make a valid point that there haven't been any alleged #8 failures but again, I'd like to see an upgraded motor sometime soon.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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is the OP's question serious??? why on earth would you NOT pick the gt500 if you had the means for both?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:04 PM
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What?! Where'd you hear that? I really doubt the next-generation GT500 will be that much more expensive... at least I hope it won't...
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...lby_gt500.html

"The updated GT500 is expected to land in 2013 as a 2014 model and will likely see its price rise to around $60,000 to reflect its increased performance."
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabe

And the 2013 GT500 is expected to get a bump in price close to $60k ... plus dealer mark-ups.

Amazing what you can do with $20k+ to a 5.0
You can get an 09 GT500 with less than 5k miles for about the same price as a fully loaded 2012 5.0
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 03:03 AM
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You can get an 09 GT500 with less than 5k miles for about the same price as a fully loaded 2012 5.0
When I priced out a new 2012 5.0, it would've only had the 6-speed manual, Brembo brake package, 19" rims/tires, and a different rear axle ratio (3.55 or 3.73).

No leather, no upgraded interior/radio.

My price (dealership employee) after $1500 in rebates would've been $27,800 + taxes.

A fully loaded 5.0 has an MSRP of around $42000-$44000 ... I don't plan on spending anywhere near that on "my" Mustang.

That extra money would have to go into performance mods ... I can only imagine what I could to with $15k on a 5.0 ... lol

The MSRP on "my" car would've been around $31-$32k, so comparing that to a $55k GT500, I come up up with a difference of over $20k, which now gives me even more $$$ to modify the 5.0 with

The Ford supercharger is about $8k and would put the 5.0 at about 625hp, in a lighter package than the GT500.

Spend some $$ on suspension mods and rims/tires, and you'd have a car that can hook-up better and handle better than a stock GT500, for less $$, right ?
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
When I priced out a new 2012 5.0, it would've only had the 6-speed manual, Brembo brake package, 19" rims/tires, and a different rear axle ratio (3.55 or 3.73).

No leather, no upgraded interior/radio.

My price (dealership employee) after $1500 in rebates would've been $27,800 + taxes.

A fully loaded 5.0 has an MSRP of around $42000-$44000 ... I don't plan on spending anywhere near that on "my" Mustang.

That extra money would have to go into performance mods ... I can only imagine what I could to with $15k on a 5.0 ... lol

The MSRP on "my" car would've been around $31-$32k, so comparing that to a $55k GT500, I come up up with a difference of over $20k, which now gives me even more $$$ to modify the 5.0 with

The Ford supercharger is about $8k and would put the 5.0 at about 625hp, in a lighter package than the GT500.

Spend some $$ on suspension mods and rims/tires, and you'd have a car that can hook-up better and handle better than a stock GT500, for less $$, right ?
You and I are in the same boat.

I'll state once again for people, Kenne Bell has installed a supercharger on a new 5.0 and it outperformed the Shelby. What more do you need to hear? I do however like that the Shelby comes with a TR6060 but it might be awhile before that tranny is ever put on a new 5.0 by Ford. We can always dream though.....
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 09:19 AM
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How much hp you will get from a 5.0 with supercharger is NOT important for me. What is important is how Shelby looks like.

Ok buy GT500 2011 for almost $40k put a supercharger and you will get 750HP out of it

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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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Tough decision.... if money was no object... GT500....
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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They extra $ you pay in the gt500 is worth the hp advantages it all really depends what you want to do with the car. If your going to go around a track then a 5.0 base is your best bet you guys bring up some great points about getting power out of it. But if dragging is your thing and you want a street/strip car then you really can't beat a gt500. I met a guy with a hellion twin Turbo on his he was pushing 1170hp with stock motor and stock internals and stock tranny and he said he had put 10k miles on it without a hiccup. as far as hooking up put 315 dot drag radials on the rear and you'll grip just fine.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Also suspension upgrades can drop weight the Griggs suspension will drop 250+lbs off the gt500 bringing it in at about 3550-3600 without driver.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 02:17 PM
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I heard a rumor that the next gt500 is going with a 5.8L. I hope it's true.
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