Ford responds to the NHTSA investigation/MT-82 problems: your fault
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But we definitely need more - like the smokestack industries of yesterday except without the smoke stacks - for domestic products too. But the price of the end product has to be competitive because middle income America has fallen so far behind that they have no choice but to buy the cheapest one many items.
For example, I can get a relay for my F150 made in the US for $35, or an import for $9. That's too big of a spread for me to lay out for the US product.
But if the US were smart like China, they would require trade agreements that have foreign companies building plants in the US for US jobs - in order to sell their products to US consumers.
When China or other countries do it, its OK. But when the US does it, they cry 'protectionist!' And the spineless politicians blink and say 'OK'.
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We're not training anyone (or encouraging anyone) to go after blue collar jobs anymore. We've told a generation of people that they need to get a 4-6-8 year college degree and push papers all day to be successful (or just do what makes you feel good, you're still a winner). At some point, these people are going to need their a/c fixed, house rewired, plumbing repaired, etc. and there's not going to be anyone there to do it because when the current people in those professions die off, the only people left will be kids with degrees in 18th century impressionist art, you know the same ones that are currently occupying Wall Street because nobody will offer them 100K a year to disseminate their vast knowledge of poetry and watercolors on canvas.
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Ford China Sales Increase 14 Percent This Year, Over 100,000 Ford Focus Sold
SHANGHAI, China, 6 July, 2011 – Ford Motor China announced wholesale sales of 274,510 units for the first half of 2011, a 14 percent increase from the same period last year. In June, Ford sold 44,442 units, an 11 percent increase from June 2010.
Ford Focus reached total sales of 16,992 units in June, an increase of 19 percent from June 2010, and in the first six months of 2011, Focus sales exceeded 100,000 units.
Ford Mondeo continued its strong momentum with 5,240 wholesale units sold in June, a 39 percent increase from the same period last year. Equipped with the environmentally friendly EcoBoost engine and PowerShift transmission, the upgraded Mondeo increases fuel economy by up to 20 percent and reduces emissions by 15 percent.
Ford Fiesta had 6,346 wholesale units sold in June, bringing total sales since its launch in March 2009 to over 150,000 units. With the upgraded 2011 Fiesta launched in May, the Ford’s stylish compact is attracting more Chinese customers.
Changan Ford Mazda Automobile (CFMA), Ford Motor's passenger vehicle joint-venture in China, sold 35,929 units in June, an increase of 16 percent from a year ago, closing the first half of 2011 with 209,118 units sold; while Jiangling Motors Corporation (JMC), Ford's commercial vehicle investment in China, recorded sales of 105,304 units in the first six months, a 19 percent jump from the same period last year.
"We are working hard to provide our Chinese customers an expanded lineup of high quality, safe, fuel efficient vehicles they want and value," said Joe Hinrichs, president of Ford's Asia Pacific and Africa region and chairman and CEO of Ford Motor China. "As an important part of our aggressive growth plan, we are expanding our production capacity, retail network, service capability, as well as our portfolio here in the world's largest automotive market."
Last month, Ford announced that it expects its worldwide sales to increase by nearly 50 percent by mid-decade to 8 million vehicles a year. By 2020, Ford expects 32 percent of sales to come from the Asia Pacific Africa region, more than doubling the current percentage of global sales volume Ford achieves in the region.
Ford will introduce 15 new vehicles and more than double the number of its dealerships in China by 2015. It is also doubling its professional workforce in China during the same time.
To accelerate future growth, Ford continues to make investments to expand its production capacity in China. Last month, CFMA broke ground for a USD 500 million engine plant in Chongqing to increase its annual engine production capacity to 750,000 units by 2013. In addition, Ford signed an MOU in May 2011 to build its first transmission plant in China, also in Chongqing, with an initial annual capacity of up to 400,000 units.
Ford's production in China will also be ramped up with two new vehicle assembly plants set to come on line – the first in 2012 in Chongqing with CFMA, and the second in 2013 in Nanchang with JMC.
SHANGHAI, China, 6 July, 2011 – Ford Motor China announced wholesale sales of 274,510 units for the first half of 2011, a 14 percent increase from the same period last year. In June, Ford sold 44,442 units, an 11 percent increase from June 2010.
Ford Focus reached total sales of 16,992 units in June, an increase of 19 percent from June 2010, and in the first six months of 2011, Focus sales exceeded 100,000 units.
Ford Mondeo continued its strong momentum with 5,240 wholesale units sold in June, a 39 percent increase from the same period last year. Equipped with the environmentally friendly EcoBoost engine and PowerShift transmission, the upgraded Mondeo increases fuel economy by up to 20 percent and reduces emissions by 15 percent.
Ford Fiesta had 6,346 wholesale units sold in June, bringing total sales since its launch in March 2009 to over 150,000 units. With the upgraded 2011 Fiesta launched in May, the Ford’s stylish compact is attracting more Chinese customers.
Changan Ford Mazda Automobile (CFMA), Ford Motor's passenger vehicle joint-venture in China, sold 35,929 units in June, an increase of 16 percent from a year ago, closing the first half of 2011 with 209,118 units sold; while Jiangling Motors Corporation (JMC), Ford's commercial vehicle investment in China, recorded sales of 105,304 units in the first six months, a 19 percent jump from the same period last year.
"We are working hard to provide our Chinese customers an expanded lineup of high quality, safe, fuel efficient vehicles they want and value," said Joe Hinrichs, president of Ford's Asia Pacific and Africa region and chairman and CEO of Ford Motor China. "As an important part of our aggressive growth plan, we are expanding our production capacity, retail network, service capability, as well as our portfolio here in the world's largest automotive market."
Last month, Ford announced that it expects its worldwide sales to increase by nearly 50 percent by mid-decade to 8 million vehicles a year. By 2020, Ford expects 32 percent of sales to come from the Asia Pacific Africa region, more than doubling the current percentage of global sales volume Ford achieves in the region.
Ford will introduce 15 new vehicles and more than double the number of its dealerships in China by 2015. It is also doubling its professional workforce in China during the same time.
To accelerate future growth, Ford continues to make investments to expand its production capacity in China. Last month, CFMA broke ground for a USD 500 million engine plant in Chongqing to increase its annual engine production capacity to 750,000 units by 2013. In addition, Ford signed an MOU in May 2011 to build its first transmission plant in China, also in Chongqing, with an initial annual capacity of up to 400,000 units.
Ford's production in China will also be ramped up with two new vehicle assembly plants set to come on line – the first in 2012 in Chongqing with CFMA, and the second in 2013 in Nanchang with JMC.
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We're not training anyone (or encouraging anyone) to go after blue collar jobs anymore. We've told a generation of people that they need to get a 4-6-8 year college degree and push papers all day to be successful (or just do what makes you feel good, you're still a winner). At some point, these people are going to need their a/c fixed, house rewired, plumbing repaired, etc. and there's not going to be anyone there to do it because when the current people in those professions die off, the only people left will be kids with degrees in 18th century impressionist art, you know the same ones that are currently occupying Wall Street because nobody will offer them 100K a year to disseminate their vast knowledge of poetry and watercolors on canvas.
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You have your opinion and I have mine. The MT 82 will go down in history as being problematic. Yes other tranmissions have had issues too but not this severe imo. This thing is a piece of junk. Too many reports of Ford replacing them over and over. Sometimes with no resolve.
This transmission has absolutley taken all of my spizz out of wanting a new GT. JUst not interested any more at all. The powershifts in the Fiesta and Focus are problematic also. Who is running the Ford powertrain department? They need to be CANNED.
Ford is going to hell in a handbasket imo and I dont like it.
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Originally Posted by chevys
Despite my better judgement I am reponding to this. Im not looking for anything other than stating my opinion.
You have your opinion and I have mine. The MT 82 will go down in history as being problematic. Yes other tranmissions have had issues too but not this severe imo. This thing is a piece of junk. Too many reports of Ford replacing them over and over. Sometimes with no resolve.
This transmission has absolutley taken all of my spizz out of wanting a new GT. JUst not interested any more at all. The powershifts in the Fiesta and Focus are problematic also. Who is running the Ford powertrain department? They need to be CANNED.
Ford is going to hell in a handbasket imo and I dont like it.
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
That also explains why so many 11/12 Mustang owners don't know how to shift either.
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Well dang....with some people, Ford just cannot come out ahead can they. Not saying Ford is perfect but they, like any company, is working at it and trying.
Mine shifts great, (skip shift unplugged), no whine, no grinding.....maybe good forever, maybe not. I still test the high speed shifting at least once each time I drive my daily driver GT/CS, 11,300 miles.
IMO....when a transmission is replaced more than once, (chances of getting a bad one again are pretty slim), and the same driver has the same issues again, seems like it is not a transmission issue. But, what do I know......I am just a retired old fart.
I wonder what those who expected/wanted more from Ford would like them to do. Maybe design a new tranny, open a place to build it in the US, hire only US workers, free replacement of the "Chinese" trannys, free loaner car while work performed, lifetime warranty/buy back guarantee at original purchase price if it makes the slightest noise/grinding, AND fire anyone who looked at the tranny before the first one was produced.......oh...and do this in 6 months time to keep all happy. I almost forgot....give one to that chevy guy on here....... And, Ford would be in business how much longer....then nobody has anything.
Kind of like the cartoon I saw years back....Parts counter customer listening to counter worker....we replaced the part with a new one, refunded twice your money, warranted the part for life, and shot the man who designed the bad part.....anything else we can do for you?
Mine shifts great, (skip shift unplugged), no whine, no grinding.....maybe good forever, maybe not. I still test the high speed shifting at least once each time I drive my daily driver GT/CS, 11,300 miles.
IMO....when a transmission is replaced more than once, (chances of getting a bad one again are pretty slim), and the same driver has the same issues again, seems like it is not a transmission issue. But, what do I know......I am just a retired old fart.
I wonder what those who expected/wanted more from Ford would like them to do. Maybe design a new tranny, open a place to build it in the US, hire only US workers, free replacement of the "Chinese" trannys, free loaner car while work performed, lifetime warranty/buy back guarantee at original purchase price if it makes the slightest noise/grinding, AND fire anyone who looked at the tranny before the first one was produced.......oh...and do this in 6 months time to keep all happy. I almost forgot....give one to that chevy guy on here....... And, Ford would be in business how much longer....then nobody has anything.
Kind of like the cartoon I saw years back....Parts counter customer listening to counter worker....we replaced the part with a new one, refunded twice your money, warranted the part for life, and shot the man who designed the bad part.....anything else we can do for you?
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Am I so naive that Im stupid? I mean back in the day every single thing you got on was a straight shift. Tractors, cars, trucks, I mean everything. I know times have changed.
KIds today have no clue how to drive a straight shift because they are so rare. I may be the fool here. I truly believe Ford has a point but they are not going to get it past me when my Mexican made 3650 is way slicker than the China built Mt 82 I drove. I stand by this.
I tell you its frustrating. I want Ford to do well and I WANT to have confidence. I just cant in good confidence spring for a new one knowing what I know. I swear I think Ford has dropped the ball on the trans and they have just handled this in the worst way ever. I stand by my statement that this will go down like the 99 Cobras that no body wants. It will for ever haunt the 11 and 12's despite what a fantastic car they are otherwise.
Ford, GET IT TOGETHER.
KIds today have no clue how to drive a straight shift because they are so rare. I may be the fool here. I truly believe Ford has a point but they are not going to get it past me when my Mexican made 3650 is way slicker than the China built Mt 82 I drove. I stand by this.
I tell you its frustrating. I want Ford to do well and I WANT to have confidence. I just cant in good confidence spring for a new one knowing what I know. I swear I think Ford has dropped the ball on the trans and they have just handled this in the worst way ever. I stand by my statement that this will go down like the 99 Cobras that no body wants. It will for ever haunt the 11 and 12's despite what a fantastic car they are otherwise.
Ford, GET IT TOGETHER.
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Am I so naive that Im stupid? I mean back in the day every single thing you got on was a straight shift. Tractors, cars, trucks, I mean everything. I know times have changed.
KIds today have no clue how to drive a straight shift because they are so rare. I may be the fool here. I truly believe Ford has a point but they are not going to get it past me when my Mexican made 3650 is way slicker than the China built Mt 82 I drove. I stand by this.
I tell you its frustrating. I want Ford to do well and I WANT to have confidence. I just cant in good confidence spring for a new one knowing what I know. I swear I think Ford has dropped the ball on the trans and they have just handled this in the worst way ever. I stand by my statement that this will go down like the 99 Cobras that no body wants. It will for ever haunt the 11 and 12's despite what a fantastic car they are otherwise.
Ford, GET IT TOGETHER.
KIds today have no clue how to drive a straight shift because they are so rare. I may be the fool here. I truly believe Ford has a point but they are not going to get it past me when my Mexican made 3650 is way slicker than the China built Mt 82 I drove. I stand by this.
I tell you its frustrating. I want Ford to do well and I WANT to have confidence. I just cant in good confidence spring for a new one knowing what I know. I swear I think Ford has dropped the ball on the trans and they have just handled this in the worst way ever. I stand by my statement that this will go down like the 99 Cobras that no body wants. It will for ever haunt the 11 and 12's despite what a fantastic car they are otherwise.
Ford, GET IT TOGETHER.
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Originally Posted by Rather B.Blown
Am I correct in assuming that the only experience you have with the MT-82 is what you've read on the internet, and a test drive you took in one? Or did I miss something? Just curious.
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It just could have been a dud I dont know. But man its telling with all of the complaints. Perhaps I should test drive another one. My confidence is so far down the chart its not even funny anyway. AT the end of the day what have you bought in China lately that was worth a darn?
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I sat in a new GT and couldn't take the ugly air bag covers they have in those and jumped out immediately.
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Sorry, but you don't fix what isn't broken... And you don't know you product is breaking unless customers report it.
Changes made since the 2011 production began:
04/26/2010: Revised Clutch Pedal Return Spring
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs
01/07/2011: Revised Clutch Spring Finger Height
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs
10/19/2010: Revised fastener/thread locker
Addresses clutch fastener back out
09/07/2010: Changed 5th/6th gear surface finish
Addresses grinding during 5th gear shifts
07/25/2011: Added phosphate coating to gears
Reduces gear noise
07/25/2011: Lower viscosity lubricant
To reduce shift effort in all temps
08/31/2011: Changed clearance between 2nd gear friction ring & cone
Resolve ring to gear face contact and gear clash
02/25/2011: Fourth gear weld incomplete during production
Process verification to ensure complete gear welding
07/01/2011: Vehicle message center
Extended skip-shift illumination time so drivers aware of engagement
That's a LOT of changes in to a drivetrain in a year. I mean, seriously, welding issues with gears in China. Also, the docs state there have been repairs to 3% of 2011/2012 vehicles. That doesn't even count folks who didn't take it in and are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a fix.
Changes made since the 2011 production began:
04/26/2010: Revised Clutch Pedal Return Spring
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs
01/07/2011: Revised Clutch Spring Finger Height
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs
10/19/2010: Revised fastener/thread locker
Addresses clutch fastener back out
09/07/2010: Changed 5th/6th gear surface finish
Addresses grinding during 5th gear shifts
07/25/2011: Added phosphate coating to gears
Reduces gear noise
07/25/2011: Lower viscosity lubricant
To reduce shift effort in all temps
08/31/2011: Changed clearance between 2nd gear friction ring & cone
Resolve ring to gear face contact and gear clash
02/25/2011: Fourth gear weld incomplete during production
Process verification to ensure complete gear welding
07/01/2011: Vehicle message center
Extended skip-shift illumination time so drivers aware of engagement
That's a LOT of changes in to a drivetrain in a year. I mean, seriously, welding issues with gears in China. Also, the docs state there have been repairs to 3% of 2011/2012 vehicles. That doesn't even count folks who didn't take it in and are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a fix.
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Originally Posted by chevys
You are correct. My test drive was a mess. It could have been a fluke. I dont believe everything I read but my test drive back to back with a 3650 was telling and the GT I drove had about 2 K miles on it. It was a total POS and its was probably traded in for this..
It just could have been a dud I dont know. But man its telling with all of the complaints. Perhaps I should test drive another one. My confidence is so far down the chart its not even funny anyway. AT the end of the day what have you bought in China lately that was worth a darn?
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Your point it taken. I am not an engineer. Why does the Mustang manual have so many complaints and why when I test drove one did it shift rough as hell? It was terrible. A fluke maybe?
If your so smart then tell me. These cars are marked for ever for China junk transmissions like it or not. The resale imo has tanked.
If your so smart then tell me. These cars are marked for ever for China junk transmissions like it or not. The resale imo has tanked.
No one cares....do you cut and paste this drivel just to rattle the real posters.
