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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Here's what I want:

Sport Coupe: Based on the Australian Ford Falcon #3300 to#3600

Mustang---3.5L D35 V6 275hp/265ftlb, 5sp Manual/5 sp Auto 22/29 mpg
Mustang GT--- 4.6L 3v V8 330hp/330ftlb 5 sp Manual/5sp Auto 18/26 mpg
Mustang Boss 5.0L Boss V8-375hp/390ftlb 6 sp. Manual/6 sp. Powershift

Mustang Twin Force—3.5L D35 V6 TT-350hp/360ftlb 6 sp. Manual or 6 sp Powershift All aluminum IRS/Brembo 4 Piston brakes/Recaro's/(3400#) 24/30 mpg
SVT Shelby GT 500 Mustang------ 5.0L Shelby TwinForce V8 500hp/575ftlbs 6 sp Manual or 6 sp Powershift HD IRS/Recaro's/Brembo's/HUD/Ultralight 18"wheels.
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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Raptor - F-150

There is new info from leftlanenews on Ford working on a new high performance TT V8 for the upcoming 09' F150. It has the code name Raptor. The TT V8 is supposed to be based on Ford's Ecoboost technology. The v8 used will be Ford's new Boss engine. I know this info is for the 09' F-150 but I could eventually see the technology (ecoboost v8) being shared with future Mustang's to come.

Link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-wor...tor-f-150.html
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by benny02gt
There is new info from leftlanenews on Ford working on a new high performance TT V8 for the upcoming 09' F150. It has the code name Raptor. The TT V8 is supposed to be based on Ford's Ecoboost technology. The v8 used will be Ford's new Boss engine. I know this info is for the 09' F-150 but I could eventually see the technology (ecoboost v8) being shared with future Mustang's to come.

Link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-wor...tor-f-150.html
Word is Ford isn't going to TT the Boss, hope that source is wrong though as the 6.2 with twins would have made incredible numbers..
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by benny02gt
There is new info from leftlanenews on Ford working on a new high performance TT V8 for the upcoming 09' F150. It has the code name Raptor. The TT V8 is supposed to be based on Ford's Ecoboost technology. The v8 used will be Ford's new Boss engine. I know this info is for the 09' F-150 but I could eventually see the technology (ecoboost v8) being shared with future Mustang's to come.

Link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-wor...tor-f-150.html
Benny, the Raptor project is a long travel suspension factory off-road F150, not the next Lightning pickup. Its being worked on by Ford and members of Fox Racing. Check out BON. Going to be out in the next 2 years or so. They say 33-35" tires, flared fenders with add-ons. And the Boss 6.2L V8! Going to be a mean off-roader if it doesn't get killed 1st.

Oh, this is to reply about the ZR-1/Viper competitor. Instead of making a new car from scratch, why not just produce the Shelby GR-1!!! I mean come-on!!! The GR-1 is GORGEOUS!!! You have the tooling from the GT, and Saleen is now in Michigan. That car would sell like hotcakes if they made it. Price it around $85,000-$100,000 with options and there you go. A blazingly fast front-engine V8 powered sports car with ammenites.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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Benny, the Raptor project is a long travel suspension factory off-road F150, not the next Lightning pickup. Its being worked on by Ford and members of Fox Racing. Check out BON. Going to be out in the next 2 years or so. They say 33-35" tires, flared fenders with add-ons. And the Boss 6.2L V8! Going to be a mean off-roader if it doesn't get killed 1st.

Oh, this is to reply about the ZR-1/Viper competitor. Instead of making a new car from scratch, why not just produce the Shelby GR-1!!! I mean come-on!!! The GR-1 is GORGEOUS!!! You have the tooling from the GT, and Saleen is now in Michigan. That car would sell like hotcakes if they made it. Price it around $85,000-$100,000 with options and there you go. A blazingly fast front-engine V8 powered sports car with ammenites.

How about something like this (w/TT V8)..............here Viper, Viper, Viper!
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Black331
Word is Ford isn't going to TT the Boss, hope that source is wrong though as the 6.2 with twins would have made incredible numbers..
I think its being tested, but not going to be in anything....yet...

They have a lot of power if they want it...Just a matter of how much and when.

You'll probably see a TwinForce 5.0 before you see a TwinForce Boss6.2
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You'll probably see a TwinForce 5.0 before you see a TwinForce Boss6.2
That's what the info coming from the insiders indicates.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 11:22 AM
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I could care less about $50K+ Mustangs. Give me a 350-400hp SE Mustang under $40K and I'll be happy. Better yet, $35k or under!
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
i tihnk it should go sometihng like this
Base V6- 250hp & TQ 5 spd auto/man.
TT V6-325 hp & TQ 5 speed man
NA 4.6 3v-350 hp & TQ 5 speed man
TT5.0-enough to kill a zr1


the thing i dont get though, if ford is wanting to compete and kill the zr1; why go smaller displacement?
Who says it's going to be in the form of a Mustang
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 05fordgt

Oh, this is to reply about the ZR-1/Viper competitor. Instead of making a new car from scratch, why not just produce the Shelby GR-1!!! I mean come-on!!! The GR-1 is GORGEOUS!!! You have the tooling from the GT, and Saleen is now in Michigan. That car would sell like hotcakes if they made it. Price it around $85,000-$100,000 with options and there you go. A blazingly fast front-engine V8 powered sports car with ammenites.
+1, except take Shelby out of the picture. His name only adds costs to vehicles and nothing more. Make the car 2,800 lbs and have a 425hp base engine and a 500hp "premium" engine to go after the Z06. The base model should start somewhere around 55K and the Z06 competitor should be 75K. If you price it more than that, it better beat the Vette in every measurable performance category!
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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Thats a tall order given the price, I'm sure the vette has some inherent cost advantages due to the longevity of its run. Probably the best way to take the vette on and make money would be a global supercar chassis, that way you could get volume. Given the value of the dollar it would make sense to engineer and produce the vehicle here then export the specific model elsewhere.

Off topic, but the F5 is going to be produced in Canada and alot of Zeta stuff is out the door, making the Zeta Camaro pretty much an exclusive plateform. I wonder what the General is gonna have to do to get the Camaro competitively priced to keep it in range of the Mustang. It supposed to be within 500.00 bucks of the Mustang at every level IIRC.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bob
Thats a tall order given the price, I'm sure the vette has some inherent cost advantages due to the longevity of its run. Probably the best way to take the vette on and make money would be a global supercar chassis, that way you could get volume. Given the value of the dollar it would make sense to engineer and produce the vehicle here then export the specific model elsewhere.

Off topic, but the F5 is going to be produced in Canada and alot of Zeta stuff is out the door, making the Zeta Camaro pretty much an exclusive plateform. I wonder what the General is gonna have to do to get the Camaro competitively priced to keep it in range of the Mustang. It supposed to be within 500.00 bucks of the Mustang at every level IIRC.
The Vette coupe starts in the mid 40s. You are telling me that they can't build a competitive car with an extra 10-15K to work with? If they can't, that shows how bad of shape Ford is in.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tacbear
Here's what I want:

Sport Coupe: Based on the Australian Ford Falcon #3300 to#3600

Mustang---3.5L D35 V6 275hp/265ftlb, 5sp Manual/5 sp Auto 22/29 mpg
Mustang GT--- 4.6L 3v V8 330hp/330ftlb 5 sp Manual/5sp Auto 18/26 mpg
Mustang Boss 5.0L Boss V8-375hp/390ftlb 6 sp. Manual/6 sp. Powershift

Mustang Twin Force—3.5L D35 V6 TT-350hp/360ftlb 6 sp. Manual or 6 sp Powershift All aluminum IRS/Brembo 4 Piston brakes/Recaro's/(3400#) 24/30 mpg
SVT Shelby GT 500 Mustang------ 5.0L Shelby TwinForce V8 500hp/575ftlbs 6 sp Manual or 6 sp Powershift HD IRS/Recaro's/Brembo's/HUD/Ultralight 18"wheels.

I think you might have something there but I don't think the Twin Force (the Ecoboost engine I would imagine) would put up better power numbers than the GT. In order to keep the GT as an option, I would imagine the TT to be closer to the current power in the GT, 300ish or so.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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They won't be touching the new GT numbers if they keep the EcoBoost3.5 at 340hp
especially if the new 5.0 has 375-400hp
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Forget about 400 horse SE's, how about a GT with that much power? These days V6's are making more horsepower than the GT, this isn't a family car, it's time for Ford to step it up, with the Camaro and Challenger coming Ford needs it to stay on top.

A 400 horse 2010 GT sounds good to me, wouldn't that be enough to satisfy people? It's gonna satisfy me..
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Black331
Forget about 400 horse SE's, how about a GT with that much power? These days V6's are making more horsepower than the GT, this isn't a family car, it's time for Ford to step it up, with the Camaro and Challenger coming Ford needs it to stay on top.

A 400 horse 2010 GT sounds good to me, wouldn't that be enough to satisfy people? It's gonna satisfy me..
According to fourcam at svt performance the 5.0 will have 400hp/360 ft lbs.
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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DBk is also stating "I'd be really happy if I was in the market for a Mustang GT with that engine"

he's in the know, so take that with what Fourcam mentioned
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
The Vette coupe starts in the mid 40s. You are telling me that they can't build a competitive car with an extra 10-15K to work with? If they can't, that shows how bad of shape Ford is in.
I was thinking that the vette was closer to 50k and the Z06 right around 70k
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bob
I was thinking that the vette was closer to 50k and the Z06 right around 70k
46,950 for a 08 Coupe
72,125 for a 08 Z06

You can buy them a lot cheaper than that
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