2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:20 PM
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i said it was in the wrong gear even before, guess cuz i dont have a huge sig or avatar pic people dont notice lol

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
The torque curve wasn't as impressive as what posters here were leading us all to believe. I was almost expecting a twin screw like torque curve based on information posted. It has a typical N/A DOHC torque curve. Nothing wrong with it, just a lot of hype here before about the FLAT torque line.
Actually, I believe the "flat torque curve" line was used in Ford's 5.0L engine literature, when describing the benefits of Ti-VCT. Posters here merely regurgitated that very information.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:32 PM
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Guy over at Insideline knows the deal.

rrocket says:
09:19 PM, 03/24/10
I'm right....because in this case it's a Dynojet. On a Dynojet, it uses a mathematical equation based on the known weight of the rollers and acceleration of said rollers. If you use a gear that accelerates faster (in this case 4th gear instead of 5th gear) the rollers will spin up quicker (accelerate) and skew the numbers in a positive way. The opposite would happen if you used 6th gear (.65:1)...you'd have lower numbers.
On other dynoes, like Dynapack and Mustang, they are less sensitive to gearing as they use a different method of calculating the HP. But the Dynojet is VERY sensitive and you must use a 1:1 ratio (or as close as possible) so as not to skew numbers.
Inside Line and Mr. Kavanagh dropped the ball on this one. Shame.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:42 PM
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Quite foolish to use an equation that doesn't use speed of the roller as a factor to derive the horsepower. Do they think every car in the world will run the same rear end ratio and the same tire height.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 200mphcobra
Quite foolish to use an equation that doesn't use speed of the roller as a factor to derive the horsepower. Do they think every car in the world will run the same rear end ratio and the same tire height.
Dynojets were designed for a motorcycle. Read the history of it, they are only good for tuning 1 car against itself. Not actual HP measurements. Have fun:

http://www.hotrod.com/thehistoryof/1..._creation.html

Mustang Dynos are the most accurate. You can test real world scenarios under varying loads. People hate them because they don't give the "braggable numbers" dyno queens want to impress their friends and bench race. I posted my Mustang Dyno #s on a Shelby site and everyone was like "omg dude your #s are low, something is wrong". I just rolled my eyes.

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:47 PM
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Still foolish, or better yet underutilized, why not when all other factors are known. F X D has been around for some time.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Jay
anybody seen this?


yes.

and the torque curve is pretty good for a 5.0 dohc if u ask me.

the ls3 in the camaro makes about 320rwtq at 3k rpm about 350rwtq at 4k rpm and peaks just over 4500 at like 365rwtq. the 5.0 does pretty well if you ask me, for something 1.2 liters smaller
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:54 PM
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Hopefully we'll see some correctly performed dynos soon. I email insideline, maybe they will comment.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fazm
yes.

and the torque curve is pretty good for a 5.0 dohc if u ask me.

the ls3 in the camaro makes about 320rwtq at 3k rpm about 350rwtq at 4k rpm and peaks just over 4500 at like 365rwtq. the 5.0 does pretty well if you ask me, for something 1.2 liters smaller
How can you possibly compare #s to this clearly proven bogus dyno chart?
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:59 PM
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because you said you werent impressed by the curve. the curve isnt bad, i was using the numbers only to show the curve
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:01 PM
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Got it. I don't think it is bad, it's fine! I just was thinking it was going to have some miraculous flatness to it =)
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:04 PM
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like this one?
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:05 PM
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That one is hilarious =D

What is the smoothing on that, 100? lol
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
That one is hilarious =D

What is the smoothing on that, 100? lol
MSPaint Smoothing factor 50
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:25 PM
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I think they had to run it in 4th because the top speed is governed and she wouldn't redline in 5th gear. They did the next best thing and ran her in 4th.

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:33 PM
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5th is 1:1, I doubt it will hit the speed limiter. It's the same as 4th in a 2010. 5th is like .68:1 in a 2010.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
5th is 1:1, I doubt it will hit the speed limiter. It's the same as 4th in a 2010. 5th is like .68:1 in a 2010.
I'm honestly not sure. I'm guessing the governor is set for 155 mph. I'm not sure if you can redline 5th with 3.31s gears out back. 155 mph 1 to 1 with 3.31s is 6400 rpm so the you'd never get to redline the car. I looked in the operators manual and it said to test in 4th gear. If the guy wasn't thinking it would be easy to assume 4th is 1 to 1.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 11:58 PM
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If the speed limiter is still the same as 2010 then I believe it's 149 MPH. In that case the 3.31's would still be ok but 3.73's would top out at about 145@7000 with the 3.55's hitting 149 at about 6830 which I think was where they claim to have hit the fuel cut-off... Would they really advertise a 7000 redline but have the rev-limitter set under that to compensate for inertia? Did they run up against the rev-limitter, or the speed-limitter? More stuff to ponder.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 01:27 AM
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The dude over at Edmunds replied back and said the gear doesn't meaning anything. He had some good points.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff s
If the speed limiter is still the same as 2010 then I believe it's 149 MPH. In that case the 3.31's would still be ok but 3.73's would top out at about 145@7000 with the 3.55's hitting 149 at about 6830 which I think was where they claim to have hit the fuel cut-off... Would they really advertise a 7000 redline but have the rev-limitter set under that to compensate for inertia? Did they run up against the rev-limitter, or the speed-limitter? More stuff to ponder.
Hmm... maybe scratch that. I see from the big photo of the tach in that article that the redline is closer to 6750 rather than the 7000 figure that had been thrown around earlier. Too bad.
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